Celebrities daughters in their underwear

[StoneofDestiny]

AIBU to think it's sadly pathetic that so many daughters of celebrities think it's a necessary step in life to raise their 'fame' by posing in their underwear - Jonathan Ross's daughter Honey being the latest.

My daughter is the same age. She’s sitting next to me. She’s never got her kit off in her life for social media

Yes, that's the point. It's women stripping off that get media attention, not the ones with higher ambitions or just a sense of appropriate body exposure. That's what is so galling about those celebs and would be celebs who tell us they are helping women to be 'positive about their body' etc.
Most of our minds are not obsessed by our body, let alone that the public need exposed to it when naked.

I think people need to stop looking at this stuff - it's like rubber necking at a car crash. And celebrities ought to raise their children out of the limelight and encourage them to get proper jobs - these kids aren't talented just because their parents are and it does them no favours to constantly push them to have careers in the public eye.
I was of at the same time as KB, so I remember her DD being born - I definitely don't want to see her parading around in her undies and I doubt her parents want to see it either. Someone needs to make it stop!

I can't comment specifically on JR's daughter but a lot of the influencers that do this are doing so to further their careers. These types of posts get attention, attention means more followers and likes and more followers and likes mean better sponsorship deals and ultimately more money. Some of the people you see doing this on instagram will earn thousands for one post. Then often will move on and start other businesses/projects and are actually fairly successful and shrewd business women.

Other women do it because they like and feel comfortable with their bodies and quite simply, they want to. Surely feminism is about women doing what they want to do on their own terms, are these women not just showcasing that.

And in terms of women going topless to make money, if they themselves want to do it and they are being paid a rate they think is fair, then why not? Her body, her choice.

Watched "Hidden Figures"on telly this evening. Amazing women. Was buoyed up and then I read this thread. Why in God's name is taking your clothes off considered an achievement?

Surely feminism is about women doing what they want to do on their own terms, are these women not just showcasing that

Pretty poor definition of feminism.
These women are only getting attention because their parents are famous and they are prepared to strip off - so they aren't in control of anything - the media are pulling the strings.
They actually have no power beyond their parents fame and the media interest in that - and as that fame fades, and their own body ages, they will be powerless - there will be no interest in them at all.
It's an example of 15 minutes of fame and they are not in control of it.

The bigger point is how on Earth women have got 'feminism' so screwed up. It's supposed to be about women's rights and equality - this is as far removed from equality as it gets.

@StoneofDestiny

AIBU to think it's sadly pathetic that so many daughters of celebrities think it's a necessary step in life to raise their 'fame' by posing in their underwear - Jonathan Ross's daughter Honey being the latest.

I think for JR’s daughter it is partly to do with body acceptance. But yes I do think it’s a sad they can’t get attention in any other way - many celeb kids often don’t have any talent or skill that can be monetised

I think if feminism as equality of opportunity. If women still have to do this in order to feel seen or to get the same career opportunities as men, then it's not feminism. It's sold to them as empowering, but I don't believe it is.

My reaction to any pictures of Honey (in all honesty) is one of irritation. All I see is narcissism. And obesity promoted as 'body positivity'.

But everybody else' comments on this thread are making me examine my prejudices a little more closely. I'm going to make a conscious effort to try to have kinder thoughts about individuals involved.

@Bluntness100

So what if she models? Most models get work without taking pics in lingerie?
You can tell that's all she thinks she's worth.

It scares me to think my dd may one day think that what she needs to do to attract people be it, business or personal, that all she needs to do is to strip off.

Michelle Obama is a true feminist and activist.
Poor Honey seem to have issues . Her parents are both considered to be good looking. Must be hard to feel insecure around talented people.Posing like a porn star is not a talent.
But because people dont like the away she looks and comment is also their way of expressing themselves. Why would you expose yourself ? But she is young and will probaly regret it.

And I am going out on a limb here . Let's not be accused of body shaming with the reality there for all to see.

No , she is not curvy or sensational. She is obviously clinically obese and it it's not attractive for a young wiman to exploit herself in this way.

Honey is very pretty, very much like her mother. Symmetrical face, features in proportion.
Shes got a lovely face but is obviously obese which I dont believe is a healthy image to push in the media, pro ana sites and ill models were condemned and got rid of.
Personally cant see the difference other than one is more normalised in an obese and sick society.
I suffered from eating disorders in my teens, not anorexia but I looked it.
I didn't use pro ana sites but I did read magazines.
Im not sure how much influence they had:
I suspect the cause of honey rosses problems are very similar to the ones I was suffering. Its just manifested in a different way.

Worst one has got to be Richard and Judy's daughter - I don't think I have ever seen her clothed, she is always in her underwear.

Cringe

As a fat child who felt hounded to lose weight and felt like I wasn't good enough as I was I know exactly were Honey Ross is coming from. I look back on photos at 14 and 16 when I believed I was hideously overweight and I look completely ordinary.

Now? Hitting 40 fairly soon and have had a lifelong battle with my weight because of internalised negativity begun in my own family. So on that score I give her a massive break.

Being positive about being obese though is only ever a desperate self delusion that fools nobody not even you.

I speak as a fully fledged obese person.

This young woman is clearly in need of a good deal of psychological help, some of which has been caused by being the daughter of two individuals who have always seemed to me to be quite showy, arrogant and narcissistic.

She deserves to find happiness and inner peace and not to be mocked in tabloids or on online forums. In my opinion.

@zzizz

Why on earth would being autistic make you more likely to strip off? Do you mean she's being manipulated?

I think PP means it's not acceptable to slate her on the internet and I agree.

This whole thread is shameful. What the fuck has it got to do with you?

@Blubellsarebells

Honey is very pretty, very much like her mother. Symmetrical face, features in proportion. Shes got a lovely face but is obviously obese which I dont believe is a healthy image to push in the media, pro ana sites and ill models were condemned and got rid of. Personally cant see the difference other than one is more normalised in an obese and sick society. I suffered from eating disorders in my teens, not anorexia but I looked it. I didn't use pro ana sites but I did read magazines. Im not sure how much influence they had: I suspect the cause of honey rosses problems are very similar to the ones I was suffering. Its just manifested in a different way.

Did you really just compare anorexia to Honey being a bigger girl.(not obese) you are foul.

@StoneofDestiny

Surely feminism is about women doing what they want to do on their own terms, are these women not just showcasing that

Pretty poor definition of feminism.
These women are only getting attention because their parents are famous and they are prepared to strip off - so they aren't in control of anything - the media are pulling the strings.
They actually have no power beyond their parents fame and the media interest in that - and as that fame fades, and their own body ages, they will be powerless - there will be no interest in them at all.
It's an example of 15 minutes of fame and they are not in control of it.

The bigger point is how on Earth women have got 'feminism' so screwed up. It's supposed to be about women's rights and equality - this is as far removed from equality as it gets.

Feminism isnt 'supposed ' to be about anything. I find it baffling that someone professing to support feminism is slating women , some of whom have clear difficulties

If a child is fat its the parents fault.
And what was normal 20 years ago is not normal now.
Looking at photos from 25 years ago, you might look normal by todays standards but things were different then. Over half the population are over weight so that has become normal now.
If anything its the thin people that are more freaky.

@Blubellsarebells

If a child is fat its the parents fault. And what was normal 20 years ago is not normal now. Looking at photos from 25 years ago, you might look normal by todays standards but things were different then. Over half the population are over weight so that has become normal now. If anything its the thin people that are more freaky.

[quote Thecherryontheverytop]@Bluntness100

So what if she models? Most models get work without taking pics in lingerie?
You can tell that's all she thinks she's worth.

It scares me to think my dd may one day think that what she needs to do to attract people be it, business or personal, that all she needs to do is to strip off.[/quote]
How can you tell it's all she thinks shes worth? Maybe she just wants to do it. Imagine.

I've seen her complaining about her parents supposedly being out of order for putting her on a diet as a child. Because having a 10 stone child is all about body positivity obvs and its uncool to care about the lifetime of terrible health it creates.

No one is "mocking" or "slating" her.

This is a grown woman who is choosing to pose in her underwear time and time again in a public forum. We have as much right to discuss this - her actions, why she does it, what may be behind it (eg patriarchy/mental health) as women used to discuss Jordan et al in the 90s.

And OP I think there are two issues here, one being nepotism and children of celebrities and the second being pontification of culture. The former is deeply irritating and the latter deeply disturbing.

Celebrity offspring who repeatedly strip off on social media (and are almost inevitably always women) are a product of both.

Somebody said it before and I'll say it again. Liberal feminism always at the end comes down to how supposedly empowering it is performing for mens sexual wants.

Oh and the idea of holding up the overprivileged, underworked offspring of Alaistair Campbell, Richard Curtis and Jonathan Ross as some kind of genuine activists when their platforms are purely because of their parents (Scarlett Curtis was literally given a column in St Style at the age of about 20 with almost no journalistic experience whatsoever) and their connections is truly laughable.

@SebastianTheCrab

No one is "mocking" or "slating" her.

This is a grown woman who is choosing to pose in her underwear time and time again in a public forum. We have as much right to discuss this - her actions, why she does it, what may be behind it (eg patriarchy/mental health) as women used to discuss Jordan et al in the 90s.

And OP I think there are two issues here, one being nepotism and children of celebrities and the second being pontification of culture. The former is deeply irritating and the latter deeply disturbing.

Celebrity offspring who repeatedly strip off on social media (and are almost inevitably always women) are a product of both.

A right.

The entitlement is strong.

I don't know what comments you're reading but Honey is definitely being mocked.

@SebastianTheCrab

No one is "mocking" or "slating" her.

This is a grown woman who is choosing to pose in her underwear time and time again in a public forum. We have as much right to discuss this - her actions, why she does it, what may be behind it (eg patriarchy/mental health) as women used to discuss Jordan et al in the 90s.

And OP I think there are two issues here, one being nepotism and children of celebrities and the second being pontification of culture. The former is deeply irritating and the latter deeply disturbing.

Celebrity offspring who repeatedly strip off on social media (and are almost inevitably always women) are a product of both.

*pornification not pontification