Celebrities daughters in their underwear

[StoneofDestiny]

AIBU to think it's sadly pathetic that so many daughters of celebrities think it's a necessary step in life to raise their 'fame' by posing in their underwear - Jonathan Ross's daughter Honey being the latest.

Given the many years Karen Brady worked for David Sullivan, seeing a woman actually wearing underwear is probably a bit of a novelty.

@Melange99

Nadia Sawalha has been behaving oddly lately. Lots of shots in bras and pants, or naked, all in the name of empowerment. She has had a lot of body issues in the past and she claims this is her currently being sorted about it. But it rings hollow. You can feel free of something without plastering yourself in your bra and pants for the "You Go Girl " comments. It all feels a bit frenzied and sad.

Again, I think it's half obvious that both Nadia and her husband have some personal problems.

I’m reminded of an interview I read a while back with the One Direction singer Louis Tomlinson.

He was talking about his dislike of the cult of social media personality, and particularly referenced the influence people like the Kardashians have had on his younger sisters.

He has twin sisters who are mid teens who he appears to financially support (they lost their Mother a few years back) and is currently paying private school fees for their education. He said is wants them to go on and do A Levels and try for university so they have lots of options to consider for careers. However they insist they want to leave after GCSEs and become ‘influencers’ - and he used the quotation marks too.

He says he is frustrated and acknowledges that it is his own success that has also warped their perception of normality. They were about 6 years old when he became famous and he says they have no other memories outside of the privileges his wealth have brought them.

Rather than these advantages opening up their world to a myriad of potential it appears to have narrowed it down to the opposite.

@Fluffymule

I’m reminded of an interview I read a while back with the One Direction singer Louis Tomlinson.

He was talking about his dislike of the cult of social media personality, and particularly referenced the influence people like the Kardashians have had on his younger sisters.

He has twin sisters who are mid teens who he appears to financially support (they lost their Mother a few years back) and is currently paying private school fees for their education. He said is wants them to go on and do A Levels and try for university so they have lots of options to consider for careers. However they insist they want to leave after GCSEs and become ‘influencers’ - and he used the quotation marks too.

He says he is frustrated and acknowledges that it is his own success that has also warped their perception of normality. They were about 6 years old when he became famous and he says they have no other memories outside of the privileges his wealth have brought them.

Rather than these advantages opening up their world to a myriad of potential it appears to have narrowed it down to the opposite.

Louis has also lost his sister.

I do find him massively inspiring. He also paid an X factor contestant through rehab.

I actually think the guys who were in 1D have been pretty good when it's come to stuff like this.

I always wonder if these children of well off, famous parents had it all handed to them too easily and are so used to living in a wealthy, glamorous world where they're well known that they didn't feel they needed to bother or weren't motivated to get the qualifications they need to do something worthwhile or that takes true hard work and effort.

Posting photos of your arse on SM or being "a model" is much easier than studying to be a doctor or an accountant isn't it? Where's the incentive for that?

I think for a lot of them its because they dont have any actual real life skills. So its the only way to raise their profile / try to earn a good living off their parents name. I cant knock them for it because its money for old rope.

I’m getting sick to death of this gaslighting ‘empowerment’ crap where we are invited to believe that the way for women to feel empowered is to pose in your knickers or rap in your nickers (WAP video). It’s BS.

If it were genuinely empowering, people in power would be doing it but I will bet money we will never see the Cameron, Rees-Mogg, Johnson, Putin, Cummings or Windsor kids in the paper with their tits and fannies hanging out.

Whilst I very much agree with you - and with the earlier poster who said it’s like in the late 90s and 00s where women were told it was ‘empowering’ to sleep around on a no strings attached basis - I can see generally the patriarchy dictates that anything undesirable to the straight white man’e eye should be covered up. Older women should cover up/disappear. Overweight women should cover up/disappear. Non-white women should be seen and not heard. Gay men should keep their filthy habits behind closed doors. So I can see in Honey Ross’ case that because her body is of a type generally deemed unfit for the male gaze, she may find it empowering to expose it on her terms.

Not just to the straight white male gaze, not sure why race comes into it. Plenty of gay guys or BAME men feel empowered to discuss women's bodies in a derogatory way or in the case of the latter, like pieces of meat - some rap lyrics are guilty of that.

I wouldn't be so sure about the Rees-Moggs sprogs & the like not getting their bits out in the Sun etc. Edwina Currie's daughter tried that route...
...and what about the likes of Tara Palmer Tompkins, Lady Victoria Hervey. Not just the commoners who are at this nonsense.

Buddytheelf85 "I can see generally the patriarchy dictates that anything undesirable to the straight white man’e eye should be covered up."

I see your point here but can't forget that it's the patriarchy convincing women to expose themselves in the first place. We don't have to accept their terms that women need to show off their bodies at all, nor fight about who gets that 'privilege'.

For me, in a world so saturated with sexualised images of women, the empowering thing would be to say "I don't care what you think of my body, I see your beauty ideals and I don't give a fuck because I am not my appearance; my value's not in how sexy I am" not "here's my body too, can't I be sexy in my own way?". Like the quote you posted, not one of those men (with actual power) feel the need to be sexy. You kind of very much do care if you feel the need to show absolutely everyone.

Plus, in a lot of ways, eg removing body hair etc, she is very much accepting standard beauty ideals for women.

Anyway, the more I write the more I realise both your and my points have been raised already on this thread and, obvs, people have their own way of understanding the situation.

@Buddytheelf85

I’m getting sick to death of this gaslighting ‘empowerment’ crap where we are invited to believe that the way for women to feel empowered is to pose in your knickers or rap in your nickers (WAP video). It’s BS.

If it were genuinely empowering, people in power would be doing it but I will bet money we will never see the Cameron, Rees-Mogg, Johnson, Putin, Cummings or Windsor kids in the paper with their tits and fannies hanging out.

Whilst I very much agree with you - and with the earlier poster who said it’s like in the late 90s and 00s where women were told it was ‘empowering’ to sleep around on a no strings attached basis - I can see generally the patriarchy dictates that anything undesirable to the straight white man’e eye should be covered up. Older women should cover up/disappear. Overweight women should cover up/disappear. Non-white women should be seen and not heard. Gay men should keep their filthy habits behind closed doors. So I can see in Honey Ross’ case that because her body is of a type generally deemed unfit for the male gaze, she may find it empowering to expose it on her terms.

Yes . Notice nobody minds Amy Willerton getting her kit off.

So the message for our impressionable youth is... doesn't matter what you look like anyone can get their kit off... such an empowering message!!!! Not!

Where are the explorers, the people who make a real difference to our planet, the ones who push the boundaries of human endurance, the ones who care, the environmentalists, humanists, scientists, inventors..... nah we don't need any of that... so long as you can pose for a daily rag in your undies that makes you someone!!!

The world is fucked!

Just saw a (rare) photo of Christy Turlington's daughter on Instagram, a refreshing antithesis to all the celeb offspring mentioned above. She is 17 and looks like it as opposed to Kaia Gerber who looks about 40.

@HmmSureJan

I always wonder if these children of well off, famous parents had it all handed to them too easily and are so used to living in a wealthy, glamorous world where they're well known that they didn't feel they needed to bother or weren't motivated to get the qualifications they need to do something worthwhile or that takes true hard work and effort.

Posting photos of your arse on SM or being "a model" is much easier than studying to be a doctor or an accountant isn't it? Where's the incentive for that?

Kate Hudson formed a successful career and was told by PP she would never know if she had got there on merit.

Maybe these people cant or dont want to be a doctor or an accountant.

I wouldn't buy into the idea that celebrities children live in a wealthy, glamourous brilliant world either.

@Littlepaws18

So the message for our impressionable youth is... doesn't matter what you look like anyone can get their kit off... such an empowering message!!!! Not!

Where are the explorers, the people who make a real difference to our planet, the ones who push the boundaries of human endurance, the ones who care, the environmentalists, humanists, scientists, inventors..... nah we don't need any of that... so long as you can pose for a daily rag in your undies that makes you someone!!!

The world is fucked!

Have you seen the absolute pounding Greta Thunberg gets online on a daily basis?

@CoolCatTaco

I wouldn't be so sure about the Rees-Moggs sprogs & the like not getting their bits out in the Sun etc. Edwina Currie's daughter tried that route... ...and what about the likes of Tara Palmer Tompkins, Lady Victoria Hervey. Not just the commoners who are at this nonsense.

TPT is a prime example of privelege and being known not bringing you happiness.

Haha, Littlepaws18 , what a succinct way of summing up how lucky we are!

Greta is amazing! More like her please!

I agree she is, but the public response is not good.

Social media doesn't care if you do a good thing, a bad thing, they will slate you anyway. Laura Whitmore is being absolutely chinned at the moment for daring to post a photo of her pregnancy after keeping quiet for months having watched her best friend by hounded to her death by the media. Celebrities cannot win. In fact I'm not sure I can think of a single one who gets an overwhelmingly positive response regardless of their actions.

It's a quick and easy way for them to grow a social media following. If the can grow a brand I'm their own right they can then claim to be "self made", like Kylie Jenner. Advertising posts on platforms like those are worth huge amounts of money and unfortunately that's the way the world works now. Tits and teeth, got them get them out.

Genuine question.

Is posing in your underwear any worse than being an "influencer"?

Incidentally I think a couple of the Jenners actually have done pretty well for themselves. Family or not, it takes bloody hard graft to be an international supermodel.

That's the whole problem being famous is a thing now. Why??? Why do we crave that social acceptance, those anonymous likes on social media.

Why not crave something that's has a purpose? My total heroine is Dame Ellen MacArthur, her TED talk was awe inspiring. Her resilience, her dedication, her passion, her endless drive and when she achieved her goals she shifted to a obsession that would benefit the world.... and not a glimpse of under wear in sight.

We live in a world that craves social acceptance for superficial crap. It's soul destroying.

Wheresmykimchi I posted some info from a UNICEF report on the previous page about the impact of sexualised images of women and girls. You could check out the link to find out more about the issue?

I don’t believe “a couple of the Jenners” are international supermodels. Kylie Jenner definitely isn’t.

Posing in underwear and being an influencer are so synonymous with each other that I find it hard to decide which one annoys me more. The worrying bit is who these influencers are influencing to also post public photos in underwear.