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Celebrities daughters in their underwear

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StoneofDestiny · 26/12/2020 17:23

AIBU to think it's sadly pathetic that so many daughters of celebrities think it's a necessary step in life to raise their 'fame' by posing in their underwear - Jonathan Ross's daughter Honey being the latest.

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SebastianTheCrab · 27/12/2020 17:00

@Wheresmykimchi And the fact you have to resort to lying about what I and OP have said really says it all frankly. Oh, and defending domestic abusers because they're famous. It's not very kind is it? Take your own advice and stop posting.

Fluffymule · 27/12/2020 17:01

Its somewhat disingenuous to continually compare shirtless Justin Bieber or similar guys to the type of images we are talking about for young women. Topless for both is completely different, and I rarely see young men in g-strings on their knees or bent over.

The pressure is for much more sexually provocative imagery from the women.

Wheresmykimchi · 27/12/2020 17:02

[quote SebastianTheCrab]@Wheresmykimchi Fucking slanderous - I haven't called anyone "stupid" or "fat" anywhere in this thread. Please ask for your comment to be deleted. [/quote]
Done

Wheresmykimchi · 27/12/2020 17:08

[quote SebastianTheCrab]**@Wheresmykimchi* And the fact you have to resort to lying about what I and OP have said really says it all frankly. Oh, and defending domestic abusers because they're famous. It's not very kind* is it? Take your own advice and stop posting. [/quote]
I didn't lie. The type of person you and OP are with the views you hold are the types of people who caused the damage to Lauren. I didn't say you used the words on this thread .

I also didn't defend Caroline, whether or not she is famous. I'm just switched one enough to know that despite your wide eyed right of free speech, it has consequences. I notice you ignored that I also mentioned Jesy Nelson in the same post but she isn't a famous child nor has she committed a crime so she doesn't fit in your narrative.

I do consider myself quite kind as it goes but I'm entitled to an opinion , as you said yourself so I won't be shoved off by you, cheers.

Fluffymule · 27/12/2020 17:10

And part of my sympathy for Lauren is that she appears trapped.

She can't now go and get a 'normal' job but she doesn't have the resources or privileges that mean she doesn't need to earn money. So she has to continue with this horrible and abusive (to her) charade.

She is dependant on the engagement her images get in tabloids or on social media. But people get bored, they want more, different, new. And when we are talking about her body (as her currency) this means more and more explicit. And then she gets more and more abuse.

I worry this will not end happily for her, and I also worry that it is a story that will be repeated many times, for many girls and women who may be famous, infamous or just an unknown daughter, sister, girl next door, who was told this was normal and empowering.

SebastianTheCrab · 27/12/2020 17:11

@Wheresmykimchi You literally lied - and you have no idea of the type of person I am. You've never met me. You know nothing about me. And yet you see fit to sit there and make nasty comments about me anonymously.

Your comments speculating about my personality are literally as vile as the ones you're getting so upset at being directed towards celebrities. What makes you any better - just because you're attacking someone anonymous? Utterly pathetic. It's always those preaching "be kind" that end up being the nastiest and most hypocritical.

Wheresmykimchi · 27/12/2020 17:12

@Fluffymule

And part of my sympathy for Lauren is that she appears trapped.

She can't now go and get a 'normal' job but she doesn't have the resources or privileges that mean she doesn't need to earn money. So she has to continue with this horrible and abusive (to her) charade.

She is dependant on the engagement her images get in tabloids or on social media. But people get bored, they want more, different, new. And when we are talking about her body (as her currency) this means more and more explicit. And then she gets more and more abuse.

I worry this will not end happily for her, and I also worry that it is a story that will be repeated many times, for many girls and women who may be famous, infamous or just an unknown daughter, sister, girl next door, who was told this was normal and empowering.

I understand this. I get entirely what you mean. But the age of the internet where people proudly post whatever they like in the name of shes a celebrity so I can , also plays a very damaging role.
HeIsAVeryBadBoy · 27/12/2020 17:18

I remember being a teenager in the early noughties and reading Melinda Messenger saying how 'empowering' it was that she got paid for getting her tits out.

I remember thinking then how hollow that word was. And ever since, I've read it as a byword for double-speak.

Whenever somebody mentions how empowered they are, particularly in relation to taking their clothes off, they mean the opposite.

Because otherwise, where's Melinda now? Surely she could still be empowered to take her clothes off for cash? Thought not. She was never the one in charge.

Wheresmykimchi · 27/12/2020 17:19

[quote SebastianTheCrab]@Wheresmykimchi You literally lied - and you have no idea of the type of person I am. You've never met me. You know nothing about me. And yet you see fit to sit there and make nasty comments about me anonymously.

Your comments speculating about my personality are literally as vile as the ones you're getting so upset at being directed towards celebrities. What makes you any better - just because you're attacking someone anonymous? Utterly pathetic. It's always those preaching "be kind" that end up being the nastiest and most hypocritical. [/quote]
I haven't made a nasty comments, and I didn't lie,or be vile.fcof You have called me vile, hypocritical a abuse defender , nasty, patheti . All I said was the types of comments you and OP make do damage to these women Which is true and you're shouting about attacking. a strange stance.
It's interesting that you get so upset by me disagreeing with your opinion (not you. I don't know you) but you think the types of comments on these threads are OK. You are fine with these threads but not being challenged . You can have free speech but
I can't. Sadly that's not how life works .

Wheresmykimchi · 27/12/2020 17:20

Ignore the random typos Sebastian my phone screen is on the blinkConfused

SebastianTheCrab · 27/12/2020 17:23

No I haven't said anything about you. I said your comments - which cast aspersions on my personality and literally lied about what I've said in this thread - were vile. You're entitled to free speech. It's just ironic you don't take your own advice. Won't be responding to any more of your absurd and fictitious posts now.

Fluffymule · 27/12/2020 17:25

"I understand this. I get entirely what you mean. But the age of the internet where people proudly post whatever they like in the name of shes a celebrity so I can , also plays a very damaging role"

Yes. So why would we tell our fellow women and girls that this stuff is empowering? Because it isn't? It comes with great risk. It can be incredibly harmful. It adds to a real problem for women (whether you suffer through doing it personally or not).

Wheresmykimchi · 27/12/2020 17:27

@SebastianTheCrab

No I haven't said anything about you. I said your comments - which cast aspersions on my personality and literally lied about what I've said in this thread - were vile. You're entitled to free speech. It's just ironic you don't take your own advice. Won't be responding to any more of your absurd and fictitious posts now.
I'm sure il struggle on without your bizarre posts.
Wheresmykimchi · 27/12/2020 17:28

@Fluffymule

"I understand this. I get entirely what you mean. But the age of the internet where people proudly post whatever they like in the name of shes a celebrity so I can , also plays a very damaging role"

Yes. So why would we tell our fellow women and girls that this stuff is empowering? Because it isn't? It comes with great risk. It can be incredibly harmful. It adds to a real problem for women (whether you suffer through doing it personally or not).

I don't think it's empowering. I personally do find it sad. So I look and I move on. I just don't like public discussions of people in this manner but that's me.
OunceOfFlounce · 27/12/2020 17:34

Wheresmykimchi, from UNICEF

Every 10 minutes, somewhere in the world, an adolescent girl dies as a result of violence. Nearly one in five girls is sexually abused at least once in her life. In the United States, 18 percent of girls report that by age 17 they have been victims of a sexual assault or abuse at the hands of another adolescent.

Why are women and girls so often the victims of violence?
Unfortunately, there is no single answer to that question. However, when women and girls are repeatedly objectified and their bodies hypersexualized, the media contributes to harmful gender stereotypes that often trivialize violence against girls.

A report by the American Psychological Association (APA) on the sexualization of girls in the media found that girls are depicted in a sexual manner more often than boys; dressed in revealing clothing, and with bodily postures or facial expressions that imply sexual readiness. In a study of print media, researchers at Wesleyan University found that on average, across 58 different magazines, 51.8 percent of advertisements that featured women portrayed them as sex objects. However, when women appeared in advertisements in men’s magazines, they were objectified 76 percent of the time.

Social media has "amplified age-old pressures for teenage girls to conform to certain sexualized narratives,"

StoneofDestiny · 27/12/2020 17:40

@Wheresmykimchi

Cheap shot. I've never called anyone fat and have been at pains to say that when others referred to size issues. Do not make things up - indeed the thread was about all such behaviour from women, Honey being the most recent.

I stand by the use of the word 'pathetic' defined as: arousing pity, especially through vulnerability or sadness. It's an appropriate word in these circumstances.

You have no idea about me, my size or shape, or anything other than what is posted on here.

Can't have it both ways - empowering women surely means crediting them with being robust enough to handle a difference of opinion - especially when they put their views and unclad bodies out there to make their point. Frankly the point (whatever it is) would have been better made with them fully clad.

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VinterKvinna · 27/12/2020 17:57

@Catsup

I reminds me of Sophie Dahl becoming a massive hit as a model, and at the time everyone fawning over her 'positive plus size image'. And some bullshit press about a talent scout just 'happening across her'. Yeah right! My arse 😂... If she hadn't been a 'Dahl' she wouldn't have even been allowed to get near enough make cups tea.
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Littlepaws18 · 27/12/2020 18:04

It's sad that women need to gain fame or use fame to do this. Why can't these people be famous for something that's educational, intellectual or world changing. Using their fame for a good rather than splashing naked bodies everywhere. Is this what our children seem as role models? Sad world we live in.

rookiemere · 27/12/2020 18:07

Whilst I agree that Sophie Dahl got into the modelling industry because of her family connections, she had genuine charisma in buckets and appeared to light up the cat walk through her presence.Yes she was overweight, but gloriously so and genuinely seemed to love her figure, in a way that Honey Rose may say she does but the photos don't show someone comfortable in their own skin.

Celebrity connections can catapult offspring into a career, but it doesn't really stick unless there is something backing it up.

Melange99 · 27/12/2020 18:42

Sophie took no time in losing the weight though. She wasn't that happy. And I may be wrong but only got the naked Opium gig when she was thinner.

Wheresmykimchi · 27/12/2020 18:43

[quote StoneofDestiny]**@Wheresmykimchi

Cheap shot. I've never called anyone fat and have been at pains to say that when others referred to size issues. Do not make things up - indeed the thread was about all such behaviour from women, Honey being the most recent.

I stand by the use of the word 'pathetic' defined as: arousing pity, especially through vulnerability or sadness. It's an appropriate word in these circumstances.

You have no idea about me, my size or shape, or anything other than what is posted on here.

Can't have it both ways - empowering women surely means crediting them with being robust enough to handle a difference of opinion - especially when they put their views and unclad bodies out there to make their point. Frankly the point (whatever it is) would have been better made with them fully clad.[/quote]
Fair enough OP. I apologise. I read the thread in one go this morning.

It's a contentious and emotive issue.

Haworthia · 27/12/2020 18:44

The saddest thing, for me, is that so few celeb children seem to have been raised with the expectation that they’ll get jobs like normal people. All these mediocre “models” and Instagram attention seekers. Grim.

QuakerShaker · 27/12/2020 18:50

Whenever somebody mentions how empowered they are, particularly in relation to taking their clothes off, they mean the opposite.

It's a big, big red flag when somebody needs to SAY how "empowering" they find something.

Nobody feels the need to say how empowered and confident they feel about becoming a CEO, or winning an award, or getting a degree, do they? Because those things are genuinely empowering.

When you look at the people who have to make a big noise about finding something empowering... what do you actually find? Nine times out of ten they are vulnerable people, in a position of weakness, who are being exploited.

It's like the old joke about how countries with the word "Democratic" in their name are never actually democratic.

Melange99 · 27/12/2020 18:58

Nadia Sawalha has been behaving oddly lately. Lots of shots in bras and pants, or naked, all in the name of empowerment. She has had a lot of body issues in the past and she claims this is her currently being sorted about it. But it rings hollow. You can feel free of something without plastering yourself in your bra and pants for the "You Go Girl " comments. It all feels a bit frenzied and sad.