Celebrities daughters in their underwear

[StoneofDestiny]

AIBU to think it's sadly pathetic that so many daughters of celebrities think it's a necessary step in life to raise their 'fame' by posing in their underwear - Jonathan Ross's daughter Honey being the latest.

I don't imagine that its only 'older women' who have concerns or opinions about true agency, power and safety of girls and women in relation to this subject. That feels like a pretty ageist generalisation.

Plenty of male celebs kids do this too. Both Brooklyn and Romeo beckham pamala Anderson and Tommy Lee’s son. Even if you talk about young males in general. Justin Beiber never has clothes on and he’s not alone in that industry.

If you don’t like to see celebs or anyone in their underwear don’t look. Allow people to feel ‘empowered’ if that’s how they feel they need too. Teach your children that it’s not necessary to be semi dressed to be appreciated.
Care less about what others are doing with their bodies and concentrate on finding ways of empowering your own children, nieces, nephews and friends.

Did you really just compare anorexia to Honey being a bigger girl.(not obese) you are foul.

She is clinically obese. She's fully entitled to be comfortable with that herself, but promoting obesity as normal is dangerous.

Honey clearly has issues which is very sad. She'd benefit more from counselling than posting half naked on Insta. No one in their right mind would celebrate her being overweight. I think the same of Lizzo: Body positive as fuck but clinically obese and that is, however you look at it, not healthy. Ever.

Just put some clothes on, whatever your size. I think the same when I see the modibody ads (who sits on their fucking kitchen counter eating breakfast in their pants). Unless you are modelling underwear for a brand there is literally no reason to pose practically naked.

I'm all for celebrating the woman's body in its various forms, but why would anyone celebrate clinically underweight and clinically obese bodies?

Also, seeing women strip down to next to nothing, regardless of their size or shape, does nothing for my body confidence. So to push this as promoting body confidence is not strictly true.

@Fluffymule

I don't imagine that its only 'older women' who have concerns or opinions about true agency, power and safety of girls and women in relation to this subject. That feels like a pretty ageist generalisation.

If in reply to me, how is what I said ageist? I simply meant older in comparison to the people we are discussing on this thread, celebrity daughters of a specific generation

@akittencalledjesus “Put some clothes on”, possibly the most empowering feminist sentiment ever

@honeyytoast

Such a horrible thread. Because she’s a 23 year old woman, and she can?

How is it horrible to discuss the patriarchal system which values women for their physicality more than anything else, and how that steers certain women towards certain ways of life which may not be healthy?

@honeyytoast when I was a teenager in the early 2000s I didn't consider it self-empowering to pose naked or half naked. In fact I viewed it as something damaged people (predominantly women) did. It was nothing to do with "older women", it was about my own sense of self worth.

And I repeat, I'm sure there are also many women in their Twenties who have concerns and opinions that differ to yours (and mine) on this. They may have even posted here.

There is no one 'self respecting ideal' owned or created by any generation to be 'upheld'. We are all individuals, not a homogenous mass with group think.

@Wheresmykimchi
Im aware she wants to do it, but for what reason? I'm pretty sure with a mother like she has and a father like she has, if she thought she had anything else to offer then she would do. Maybe she'd post a few bikini pics here and there, nothing wrong with that, but her insta is one pic after another of her in her undies..what else has she offered? Nothing.

@DontWalkPastTheCastle “Horrible” refers to the tone dripping with contempt rather than genuine concern for empowerment. “Pathetic”, “attention seeking”, “vacuous”, “unmet MH needs”, “bursting out of clothes”, “tits hanging out” just in the first 2 pages - all in response to photo of a 23 yo in her knickers and a shirt. Intentionally or not it just reeks of internalised misogyny.

@SebastianTheCrab social norms change, different generations have different views. I’m speaking from the current social norm, towards either the older or younger generation.

And I don’t consider anyone on my feed who posts their body “damaged”. I don’t really know what else to say to that. Why is damaged the first thing that springs to mind?

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Sorry, I did not mean to imply that literally everybody of the same age thinks the same. I was just referencing the fact that ideals and common opinions change with time

[quote honeyytoast]@DontWalkPastTheCastle “Horrible” refers to the tone dripping with contempt rather than genuine concern for empowerment. “Pathetic”, “attention seeking”, “vacuous”, “unmet MH needs”, “bursting out of clothes”, “tits hanging out” just in the first 2 pages - all in response to photo of a 23 yo in her knickers and a shirt. Intentionally or not it just reeks of internalised misogyny.

@SebastianTheCrab social norms change, different generations have different views. I’m speaking from the current social norm, towards either the older or younger generation.

And I don’t consider anyone on my feed who posts their body “damaged”. I don’t really know what else to say to that. Why is damaged the first thing that springs to mind?

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Sorry, I did not mean to imply that literally everybody of the same age thinks the same. I was just referencing the fact that ideals and common opinions change with time[/quote]
Mmm I thought the same when I was younger. You grow up and realize that social norms were there for a reason.

@SebastianTheCrab

You’re saying I will grow up to realise that autonomous social media posts involving only myself and my body are a detriment to the plight of feminism?

You are correct that opinions and ideals change over time. Sometimes this is a very good thing, sometimes it’s a regression, sometimes it makes little real difference.

However there is nothing wrong in discussing changes, and people having opinions based on their experience, their hopes and their concerns.

For me this isn’t really about the off-spring of wealthy celebrities who have a built in safety net for protection. This is about how their participation and promotion of something serves to normalise, and inspire behaviour that actually can be harmful to others who don’t have that privilege.

Honey or Brooklyn can pose without clothes, but they can also walk away at any point and pick up other options, the consequences for them are limited.

That can’t be said for Jane or Joe Normal who may be faced with future employers or partners viewing multiple images of their barely concealed genitalia, but who also now live in a society which both demands even more explicit or demeaning content to maintain engagement, whilst using said content as gladiatorial clickbait sport against them.

That isn’t empowering, that’s a no win game of increasing imprisonment.

[quote honeyytoast]@akittencalledjesus “Put some clothes on”, possibly the most empowering feminist sentiment ever[/quote]

It's a fuck tonne more empowering than taking your clothes off for validation and likes.

it just reeks of internalised misogyny

Or might it just be that many women think fellow women have a value beyond their half dressed physique, and it is this that should be celebrated. Quite the opposite of misogyny.

“Put some clothes on”

Yes, then what they are trying to say might be heard and understood.

Nobody is talking about any of these undressed people other than to say that they are half dressed. The message (whatever it is supposed to be) is lost.

@Flapjak

"So no armchair diagnoses needed. She has a degree of vulnerability and deserves as much protection and consideration as is practicable"

But she is an adult who has the mental capacity to make her own decisions. By posting on social media in her underwear or naked she is inviting comment. If you are going to present yourself as a body positive activist and you body is not representative of a healthy body, then that will result in a degree of negativity or push back. A significantly overweight body is not physically healthy and can negatively effect all systems of the body. The purpose of feminism isnt so that women can take their clothes off and feel liberated or sell their bodies for entertainment or sex to have an income. Can you 'liberal feminists' not see how twisted that logic is. I would say that thrme majority of women and girls who end up having their bodies bought by men would not agree there is anything liberating about it. All women need to make better choices to the stop the cycle of objectification, men will not do it for us.

Women do not need to stop posing in their underwear to help feminism.

To help feminist, women need to stop tearing other women down.

[quote honeyytoast]@DontWalkPastTheCastle “Horrible” refers to the tone dripping with contempt rather than genuine concern for empowerment. “Pathetic”, “attention seeking”, “vacuous”, “unmet MH needs”, “bursting out of clothes”, “tits hanging out” just in the first 2 pages - all in response to photo of a 23 yo in her knickers and a shirt. Intentionally or not it just reeks of internalised misogyny.

@SebastianTheCrab social norms change, different generations have different views. I’m speaking from the current social norm, towards either the older or younger generation.

And I don’t consider anyone on my feed who posts their body “damaged”. I don’t really know what else to say to that. Why is damaged the first thing that springs to mind?

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Sorry, I did not mean to imply that literally everybody of the same age thinks the same. I was just referencing the fact that ideals and common opinions change with time[/quote]
This.

[quote honeyytoast]@SebastianTheCrab

You’re saying I will grow up to realise that autonomous social media posts involving only myself and my body are a detriment to the plight of feminism?[/quote]
No I'm saying you'll grow up to realize that the reason "social norms" have generally not encouraged young women to post nude and semi-nude photos of themselves on social media is because it's not actually a good thing, regardless of how many times you bang on about "empowerment".

There's literally nothing "empowering" about taking off your clothes - anyone can do it. It doesn't require any skill or intelligence or hard work.

But taking off your clothes publicly in order to monetize and/or profit from it by encouraging people to objectify you, follow you and talk about you is ultimately damaging. Whether just in terms of self esteem or, as pp have said, for those that don't have mummy and daddy's money and connections to fall back on, potentially career-ending if it emerges later.

I thought I was on Tattlelife then. Blimey.
No opinion to offer other than this is what self proclaimed models have been doing since forever.

@OunceOfFlounce

Yeah, weird how few young men need to show everyone their nearly naked bodies to feel positive about themselves too.

Exactly this.

I can't help but roll my eyes at "body positive activist".

[quote Thecherryontheverytop]@Wheresmykimchi
Im aware she wants to do it, but for what reason? I'm pretty sure with a mother like she has and a father like she has, if she thought she had anything else to offer then she would do. Maybe she'd post a few bikini pics here and there, nothing wrong with that, but her insta is one pic after another of her in her undies..what else has she offered? Nothing.[/quote]
We are still labouring under the impression it's any of our business why she does it.

@OunceOfFlounce young men get their shirts off every day!

@Wheresmykimchi Fucking slanderous - I haven't called anyone "stupid" or "fat" anywhere in this thread. Please ask for your comment to be deleted.