Celebrities daughters in their underwear

[StoneofDestiny]

AIBU to think it's sadly pathetic that so many daughters of celebrities think it's a necessary step in life to raise their 'fame' by posing in their underwear - Jonathan Ross's daughter Honey being the latest.

@Bouledeneige

I am disappointed how many girls pose in their undies on instagram etc. Boys do it too to show off their six packs but the girls really leave little to the imagination and convey an I'm available sex toy image that I think is depressing. Its seen by their peers as a sign of confidence when actually I think the opposite - a sign of lack of self regard. But unfortunately many young and not so young women 'influencers' (I'm looking at you Kardashians) make a living from doing this. The fact that girls with plumper or more ordinary figures do it too to convey a more body positive approach doesn't make it more appealing. It simply conveys that women are under pressure to pornify themselves to be liked.

As a feminist I would much prefer we value women for what they achieve through their brains, creativity, energy, compassion and commitment than for their bodies and teeny tiny undies. A little modesty and keeping some things private seems much more preferable to me but I know how old fashioned that seems now.

My DD is 20 and she doesn't pose in her underwear, but she and her friends do do pose a lot! The pouty thing. But sometimes my DD tells me about what her friends are up to and can clearly see when its driven by desperation - them desperately trying to get a boy or girl back and show them what they're missing or to trying to convince people what a prize they are. Sometimes this is accompanied by very risky behaviour too which is deeply worrying. In those cases its recognisably a sign that they are having mental health problems and need help.

I am not expert enough to fully understand the links between social media and mental health of our young people but this is clearly one of the most worrying trends for our young women. Basing self esteem purely on the likes they can get for porny body shots can't be good for anyone's mental health.

I don’t think it’s just young women though. I’m constantly surprised at some of the older women I know using filters on social media to look years younger. I see them regularly and they look nothing like these photos. I just don’t understand it! These are married professionals emulating the crazy that’s going on with women decades younger. I can only assume it’s vanity or complete denial.

@Iamthewombat

Take Carol Vorderman: she is hugely intelligent

Is she? She is probably more academic than the average, with her third class degree in maths, but if she were truly smart she’d have given up trying to be famous/having cosmetic surgery/knocking out ridiculous ‘detox’ books etc. years ago in favour of doing something that actually used her mind properly.

In fairness to Carol she was literally kicked out of her job to make way for a younger model after she got passed her prime. I'm not surprised by the route she's taken but it's so cringeworthy. And I agree it doesn't seem to be making her happy.

Caitlin Moran has this test which is are the men doing it? Are the male children of celebrities posting pictures of themselves in the nude? I can’t think of any who do.

Both Honey Ross and Scarlet Curtis have a real sadness in their eyes in all their photos and have struggled enormously with mental health problems.

There is a lot of research that shows that women and girls often feel the need to objectify themselves after sexual abuse and I think this is what is happening here.

No one should be shamed for taking naked pictures of themselves but I don’t think it is a wonderfully empowering thing to do.

I think that there is a version of feminism that is basically selling embracing your oppression as a form of empowerment. It would be more convincing if those promoting it seemed more empowered which despite having every possible advantage in life they don’t.

Maybe, but I'm not sure 'smart' is much to do with it. She was once earning big bucks on TV and so she'll have big bills to pay. Maths Teacher probably isn't going to seem a likely next step really.

I think it must be very hard to be the child of a celebrity at all. For the vast majority of the world you have only ever been known as "X's son" or "X's daughter." You have been overshadowed by your parent(s) and their fame/talent/money, and you will have been aware of this from an early age.

As you grow up, the pressure to assert your own individuality and adulthood and importance must be absolutely massive. And not just as a private individual, but in the wider world of fame which you have grown up in. For young women, getting your kit off must seem like one of the easiest routes to this. You get photographed and named and publicised in your own right (and demonstrate that you're not a child any more).

You don't need any talents. You don't even need to be conventionally attractive. The media will gleefully use your image to get clicks, and some people will pretend (at least to your face) that this is all about you and your spurious "reasons" for being photographed in your pants, and not just about "here is X's daughter in her pants."

I don't like to see it, but it's easy to see how it happens.

I’m also troubled by the knock-on effect this has on other girls and young-women, who copy and emulate but don’t have the privileges and advantages, the protection, that comes from a family of wealth, fame and power.

‘Ordinary’ girls for whom longer term repercussions and consequences of an historic, ever available, social media footprint dominated by naked and semi- explicit content, can not be softened or erased by family money.

The normalisation of soft porn content on Only Fans being something sold as ‘no big deal’, ‘easy money’, ‘empowering’, to our daughters is awful.

One of the women in the public eye that saddens me most is Lauren Goodger. That she has had to be complicit in her own daily (it seems) humiliation in the tabloids is horrifying. Setting up desperate photo opportunities in petrol stations or car parks where she dresses in fewer and fewer clothes as the pantomime character they need for clickbait, and the comments engagement, where she is duly savaged for her looks, weight, dress sense, delusion etc etc. She too has now progressed to Only Fans allowing the tabloids another avenue to mock and humiliate her.

Lauren doesn’t have famous parents I know, but she ‘competes’ for attention in the same arena as those being discussed here. Its all so sad and toxic and regressive. Where we celebrated when page three was finally banished from The Sun, we are now asked to celebrate the ‘empowerment’ girls are showing by bending over naked apart from an #AD thong on their IG page.

@blubberball, I hope you're in a better place now

In fairness to Carol she was literally kicked out of her job to make way for a younger model after she got passed her prime. I'm not surprised by the route she's taken but it's so cringeworthy. And I agree it doesn't seem to be making her happy.

In fairness to the people who paid her wage she did ask for a huge pay rise and they did decide it would be better to revamp the program with people that were less well known (and cheaper).

Shoot me but I have just been skimming through the daily mail on line.
First article I read was Deborra Lee Furness aged 65 an actress with her own career married to Hugh jackman aged 52 for 24 years and still looking loved up together. No attempt to look anything other than the 65 year old woman she is as there is fuck all wrong with being a 65 year old woman.
The second article is ex townie Kate Ferdinand aged 29 posing in her knickers 10 days after givin birth to show off the new baby. Now I know everyone wants to show off a new baby but why does she do it in her pants?
If I had daughters I know which one I would want my child to look up to as a role model.

@Proudboomer I just saw that Kate Ferdinand article and felt exactly the same as you. It is sheer vanity.

I've actually just seen the photo for the first time. Forgetting anything about her clothes or figure, she just looks so very sad and lost. I'd be super-worried if I were her parents and I hope that they and others put pressure on newspapers not to publish things like this.

Kate Ferdinand is being praised for posing in her "big" knickers in the media. The gaslighting of the public is quite something. Slowly but surely, we are being taught that posing in your knickers mere days after giving birth is a perfectly normal thing to do.

Most surprising though was the name the Ferdinands have chosen. Cree?

@AnyFucker

Kate Ferdinand is being praised for posing in her "big" knickers in the media. The gaslighting of the public is quite something. Slowly but surely, we are being taught that posing in your knickers mere days after giving birth is a perfectly normal thing to do.

Most surprising though was the name the Ferdinands have chosen. Cree?

Yes i was a bit at 'Cree' what's that all about? That would not have got past the Baby Names topic without a few raised eyebrows!

I am so past seeing sideways on bump shots with their tops pulled up. You just know as soon as they start that the sleb will have the longest pregnancy ever. It's almost a surprise when they do actually give birth!

@Misandrylovescompany

Kate Ferdinand is a particularly strong example of the desperate-for-attention genre and I feel very sorry for her motherless stepchildren.

That’s an awful thing to write.

She’s hardly sexualising her post baby body, in fact looking at her posts she’s just trying to be honest about how she’s not snapped back. However irrelevant of how she is photographed to bring into it her “motherless step children” is really unacceptable.

Honeys bare arse shot was unnecessary and takes away the ‘body positive’ agenda.

It’s attention seeking.

My eldest lives in Dubai and often poses in tiny bikinis on Instagram. I hate it. I hate it because I know she’s edited the shit out of it to make her look even skinnier than she is. There is nothing ‘body positive’ or empowering about it.

Women are still using their bodies to be noticed - regardless what message they stick on it.

VB manages to not pose in her underwear but still be annoying with yet another bizarre 'leg in the air' pose.

I wonder if OP would have started this thread if Honey had not been overweight? You say its about all women strutting about in their pants and yet of all the similar women, the post starts with someone who is fat

Yes - OP would have.
HR was the most recent one - as stated - on that very day the post went up. The most recent in a very very long line of celeb daughters and wannabes.
Size played no part in it and never mentioned by me at all. Not sure why you bring size into it - or would have done if she was skeletally thin.

The issue is them being published by an online papers
They know it clickbait for well people like you op to comment on

Just like you have done?

It's like how in the 90s and early 2000s we were told it was "empowering" to sleep with as many people as possible, friends with benefits, one night stands etc. Yet the only friends who slept around seemed to be damaged in some way and have really low self esteem and/or developed feelings that were never reciprocated. Again, it was men benefiting

That is true.
Then it's Botox and 'get work done' to bring out the real you.
Now it's moved to 'look I'm wearing big pants to prove I'm a real woman with a real shape' - just after they all posed in modified pics of themselves in things/bikinis.

Does make you wonder what is next. Nice to think women didn't have to offer up their bodies/shapes/underwear for public scrutiny at all.

I’m getting sick to death of this gaslighting ‘empowerment’ crap where we are invited to believe that the way for women to feel empowered is to pose in your knickers or rap in your nickers (WAP video). It’s BS.

If it were genuinely empowering, people in power would be doing it but I will bet money we will never see the Cameron, Rees-Mogg, Johnson, Putin, Cummings or Windsor kids in the paper with their tits and fannies hanging out.

Such a horrible thread. Because she’s a 23 year old woman, and she can?

I would imagine that there is no one reason for the daughters of celebrities posing in their underwear.

I remember seeing Honey Ross on Lorraine earlier this year. I didn't see all of it, but I do remember that she came across very well.

She talked about being thrust into the spotlight as a child and how when newspapers published photographs of her parents with her alongside, she would read the horrible things that people had written underneath about how she looked.

I cannot begin to imagine how awful it must have been for a young teen to have your body held up for scrutiny to a worldwide audience, with adults judging and making horrible comments.

Honey pointed out in the interview that she hadn't sought this out or consented to it. Now I don't know if Honey is autistic, but I am and from a personal perspective I would have felt terrified by the negative attention and my lack of control over it and if I had been in this situation as young woman, I can quite imagine that I might have tried to take back that control by becoming the one to do the publishing.

Obviously I don't know what Holly's motivations are, but I believe that she feels strongly about the pressure women are under to look a certain way and this is the way she feels she can challenge that.

You may or may not agree with her methods (for what it's worth, I do not believe that posing in underwear is empowering), but I think it is unfair to call her actions pathetic and dismiss her as trying to 'raise her fame' without considering anything she has a to say on the subject.

Honey's!

Aren’t all social media posts attention seeking? Removing the negative connotations of the phrase, isn’t it the sole purpose of social media? The whole point of female empowerment is that if you want to post yourself naked, you can. If you don’t wont to post yourself naked, you don’t have to. Young women aren’t responsible for upholding the “self-respecting” ideal created for them by older women.