Celebrities daughters in their underwear

[StoneofDestiny]

AIBU to think it's sadly pathetic that so many daughters of celebrities think it's a necessary step in life to raise their 'fame' by posing in their underwear - Jonathan Ross's daughter Honey being the latest.

To those saying we shouldn't discuss this, I'd say that we should.

Our culture/feminism has gone awry and HR is the latest obvious symptom of it. So from that perspective, we should discuss it. Secondly, HR herself describes herself as an activist. Activists want people to discuss their actions.

Lastly, take a look at the comments under any news site that publishes her photographs. She is getting mauled. Again, this aspect of our culture needs discussion.

But many of these children don’t have any real talent aside from being born into privilege. So they are lost souls. I can see how gaining money and likes from the internet could be quite intoxicating.

My issue as a parent would be what comes after? I can see how earning money from a tight young body would be relatively easy. But I’d want to be ensuring my child was doing some useful training aside from that, a plan B.

So you just repeated it?

She doesn’t even put nice pants on.

I mean, it’s the least she could do.

It's really not in the spirit to pull apart another woman's appearance - that's not what Mumsnet is about, so please do avoid this.

To those saying we shouldn't discuss this, I'd say that we should. Our culture/feminism has gone awry and HR is the latest obvious symptom of it. So from that perspective, we should discuss it. Secondly, HR herself describes herself as an activist. Activists want people to discuss their actions

Exactly - it needs discussing. And if you say you are part of a big network of activists, you clearly want it discussing.

The fact that the majority of women are unlikely to agree with their opinions and method of self promotion might give them cause to reflect.

Not interested in the size of the woman parading in their undies, it the fact that they are parading in their undies, and then claiming it's empowering for women, a grand feminist gesture and the 'way to go'.

I guess it's the problem with growing up in the shadow of your parents success. My BIL has that issue,his dad is a self made millionaire. The chip on my BILS shoulder is huge even when hes gladly taking handouts from his dad.

I wonder how many celebrities are narcissists/sociopaths and have screwed up their children to the extent that they do this.

Interestingly, @InsertRudeWord Liz Hurley's son is very much in her image. Vain and narcissistic. He is posing in the same way that young females do. Liz Hurley is an astute businesswoman and has a successful swimwear company, hence the endless shots of her in bikinis etc. She is advertising her brand. However in with that astuteness is a massive dollop of narcissism, she seems determined to be synonymous with tits. She was on Strictly last week, to read out an announcement. She had on an extremely low cut dress, tits out for the lads on a family show, except the banner with voting details came up and blocked the view. My DH said, I bet she is really annoyed about that, she obviously planned the look. Could she really not rein it in for a family show.p, is this all that this middle aged woman has to offer?

I wonder if OP would have started this thread if Honey had not been overweight? You say its about all women strutting about in their pants and yet of all the similar women, the post starts with someone who is fat.

I wonder if OP would have started this thread if Honey had not been overweight?

Well no (I reckon) , because then she'd just blend in to the sea of other women doing the same.

Honey's pictures are different and invite comment because they are notably self-punishing. They seem designed to invite insults from trolls. And that's unusual and concerning. It's a different threshold that's been reached, and it's very different to the norm, ie. Love Island 'babes' having Fans Only accounts.

Yes,because she dares to be overweight.

I am disappointed how many girls pose in their undies on instagram etc. Boys do it too to show off their six packs but the girls really leave little to the imagination and convey an I'm available sex toy image that I think is depressing. Its seen by their peers as a sign of confidence when actually I think the opposite - a sign of lack of self regard. But unfortunately many young and not so young women 'influencers' (I'm looking at you Kardashians) make a living from doing this. The fact that girls with plumper or more ordinary figures do it too to convey a more body positive approach doesn't make it more appealing. It simply conveys that women are under pressure to pornify themselves to be liked.

As a feminist I would much prefer we value women for what they achieve through their brains, creativity, energy, compassion and commitment than for their bodies and teeny tiny undies. A little modesty and keeping some things private seems much more preferable to me but I know how old fashioned that seems now.

My DD is 20 and she doesn't pose in her underwear, but she and her friends do do pose a lot! The pouty thing. But sometimes my DD tells me about what her friends are up to and can clearly see when its driven by desperation - them desperately trying to get a boy or girl back and show them what they're missing or to trying to convince people what a prize they are. Sometimes this is accompanied by very risky behaviour too which is deeply worrying. In those cases its recognisably a sign that they are having mental health problems and need help.

I am not expert enough to fully understand the links between social media and mental health of our young people but this is clearly one of the most worrying trends for our young women. Basing self esteem purely on the likes they can get for porny body shots can't be good for anyone's mental health.

Just look at the tone of the text next to the image, all the 'stunning figure' type wording when they know full well she does not have any such thing. It's a thinly veiled piss take.

Reminds me of the 4 year old child (of a friend of friends). Child would try to be the centre of all attention and went with her parents to visit the friends when they had their baby.

Child obviously wasn’t getting all the attention - so yelled and ran around, stripped to indies then as a final desperate act to get attention, pulled down pants and pooed in the middle of the living room.

@Bouledeneige

I am disappointed how many girls pose in their undies on instagram etc. Boys do it too to show off their six packs but the girls really leave little to the imagination and convey an I'm available sex toy image that I think is depressing. Its seen by their peers as a sign of confidence when actually I think the opposite - a sign of lack of self regard. But unfortunately many young and not so young women 'influencers' (I'm looking at you Kardashians) make a living from doing this. The fact that girls with plumper or more ordinary figures do it too to convey a more body positive approach doesn't make it more appealing. It simply conveys that women are under pressure to pornify themselves to be liked.

As a feminist I would much prefer we value women for what they achieve through their brains, creativity, energy, compassion and commitment than for their bodies and teeny tiny undies. A little modesty and keeping some things private seems much more preferable to me but I know how old fashioned that seems now.

My DD is 20 and she doesn't pose in her underwear, but she and her friends do do pose a lot! The pouty thing. But sometimes my DD tells me about what her friends are up to and can clearly see when its driven by desperation - them desperately trying to get a boy or girl back and show them what they're missing or to trying to convince people what a prize they are. Sometimes this is accompanied by very risky behaviour too which is deeply worrying. In those cases its recognisably a sign that they are having mental health problems and need help.

I am not expert enough to fully understand the links between social media and mental health of our young people but this is clearly one of the most worrying trends for our young women. Basing self esteem purely on the likes they can get for porny body shots can't be good for anyone's mental health.

It's like how in the 90s and early 2000s we were told it was "empowering" to sleep with as many people as possible, friends with benefits, one night stands etc. Yet the only friends who slept around seemed to be damaged in some way and have really low self esteem and/or developed feelings that were never reciprocated. Again, it was men benefiting.

That's not to say women shouldn't do those things - they can do what they want, just as they can pose in as much or as little clothing as they want. But I'd have more respect if they were honest about it - "I have low self esteem!" or "My parents didn't spend a lot of time with me growing up!" - rather than dress it up as "empowerment", which it clearly isn't.

It must be very hard for the child of 2 well known people to discover they are average. Nothing wrong with average; most of us are. I presume the photos are a way of attention seeking as they must have seen their parents receive similar press coverage.

I wonder how many celebrities are narcissists/sociopaths and have screwed up their children to the extent that they do this
And how about nominative determinism? Saddling a child with a glamour model type name isn't great: 'Honey' doesn't exactly demand to be taken seriously. Can't remember who said this, but 'if Supreme Court Justice [Name] Smith would sound improbable, rethink [Name]'.

@Melange99

I wonder how many celebrities are narcissists/sociopaths and have screwed up their children to the extent that they do this.

Interestingly, @InsertRudeWord Liz Hurley's son is very much in her image. Vain and narcissistic. He is posing in the same way that young females do. Liz Hurley is an astute businesswoman and has a successful swimwear company, hence the endless shots of her in bikinis etc. She is advertising her brand. However in with that astuteness is a massive dollop of narcissism, she seems determined to be synonymous with tits. She was on Strictly last week, to read out an announcement. She had on an extremely low cut dress, tits out for the lads on a family show, except the banner with voting details came up and blocked the view. My DH said, I bet she is really annoyed about that, she obviously planned the look. Could she really not rein it in for a family show.p, is this all that this middle aged woman has to offer?

Thing is though, if she started rocking up places in jeans and a jumper, she'd swiftly stop being featured anywhere.

Take Carol Vorderman: she is hugely intelligent but seems driven to desperately keep her career going with various surgeries. Last time I saw her she was in the papers for having a massively padded arse. If she doesn't do that, she's invisible.

Carol Vorderman seems very unhappy to me.

It's like how in the 90s and early 2000s we were told it was "empowering" to sleep with as many people as possible, friends with benefits, one night stands etc...Again, it was men benefiting.

Agreed. We’re seeing the awful ‘ladette’ myth recycled and served up to us again.

Take Carol Vorderman: she is hugely intelligent

Is she? She is probably more academic than the average, with her third class degree in maths, but if she were truly smart she’d have given up trying to be famous/having cosmetic surgery/knocking out ridiculous ‘detox’ books etc. years ago in favour of doing something that actually used her mind properly.

The issue is them being published by an online papers

They know it clickbait for well people like you op to comment on