To feel relieved that it’s not a no-deal outcome!

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Whether you’re Remain or Leave the fact is that Brexit is going ahead. I was genuinely scared of a no-deal outcome especially after the weird 2020 we have had.

I don’t know the full details of the deal but I’m just glad that there is a deal rather than no-deal at all. Anyone else feel the same?

Brexit: Boris Johnson hails free trade deal with EU

At least that’s something. I was worried about trading under WTO rules.

Thoughts?

According to you people are misguided, misinformed, racists, liars etc

I don't think at all, i follow the data and that shows that leave voters have less qualifications, less likely to have been to FE or HE, are less likely to be in work.
They are also more likely to older, Brexit was mainly supported by the over 55's under 45s far more likely to be remainers.

These are all generalities, so pls dont jump in with "i'm 30 have 12 A levels, 6 degrees & 4 PHDs and voted leave"

More allegiance to other nations in the EU than your own (wanting to take citizenship elsewhere

That's true.

I feel more and more an outsider in my own country.

More allegiance to other nations in the EU than your own (wanting to take citizenship elsewhere).

Perhaps you would care to comment on those Leavers who have taken out Irish citizenship.

A strange bunch indeed, considering they want to opt back into something that they have deprived me of.

EU citizens go through passport control and have their passports checked at the moment. No, they don't - many have been travelling just on ID cards and not passports. Have sat behind them in the queue at Dunkirk, and not a passport in sight often, just the ID cards.

@thegcatsmother

EU citizens go through passport control and have their passports checked at the moment. No, they don't - many have been travelling just on ID cards and not passports. Have sat behind them in the queue at Dunkirk, and not a passport in sight often, just the ID cards.

Ok - so they have their ID checked at the border.

A lot of bitterness here. More allegiance to other nations in the EU than your own (wanting to take citizenship elsewhere).
Well "my" country took away my right to vote - why would I feel allegiance to a country that to all intents and purposes said I was a second class citizen?

More allegiance to other nations in the EU than your own (wanting to take citizenship elsewhere

Yes, because my country has taken away a lot of things I hold dear. My bloke was fortunate enough to be born in Belfast so now has an Irish passport. Sadly my great, great grandparents came over too long ago for me to have one.

@BlackForestCake

Just to note, the guys in Auf Wiedersehn Pet didn't need visas because UK citizens had had the right to work in Germany since 1973.

The Beatles, not having the same rights, got deported when they fell out with their employer and he snitched on them to the police.

Interesting. So we have had the right to work in Germany since 1973.

Maybe we should try doing deals with individual EU countries about getting the right to work in each of those countries.

I wonder if that breaks EU rules?

I wonder if that breaks EU rules?

I can’t imagine that it wouldn’t.

Brexit is a hiccup.
It will pass.

I feel this too to some extent, I can't see how in twenty years we won't be closer again, but I guess time will tell.

@SabrinaThwaite

Loving the “get over it” and emojis.

Such reasoned argument, worthy of any politics student.

And simply not worthy of response. Just goady shite.

Oh yes, but quite amusing to see this student of “EU politics to degree level” tie themselves up in knots, and resort to pre-teen insults

But since each EU country is sovereign isn't it up to them which third party country they give the right to work to?

In the same way that the UK as an EU member wasn't prevented from giving rights to e.g. Indians or Jamaicans.....

Peregrina interesting point, what would stop Germany importing cheap foreign labour from the Philippines and what would stop the philippians going all over the eu undercutting wages there?

Jasjas I don't understand what point you are making by trying to say leave voters are uneducated?

I really disliked this view that came out of the referendum, that only certain types of people should be allowed to vote. Shocking. That's not what you're alluding to is it?

Jasjas I don't understand what point you are making by trying to say leave voters are uneducated

Greater access to Higher Education could have reversed the result of the 2016 EU referendum, according to new research from the University of Leicester.

www2.le.ac.uk/offices/press/press-releases/2017/august/greater-access-to-higher-education-could-have-reversed-eu-referendum-result-research-suggests

@Orf1abc

It's done now and doesn't look too bad.

A perfect example. Brexit has already cost the country billions, but the new trade agreement 'doesn't look too bad'. That's how low our expectations have become.

Brexit (so far) has cost the UK more than the total of its entire contribution to the EU since the first day the UK joined.

It appears Schengen requires a common visa requirement for all non-EU persons, so no individual EU country (except Ireland) can deviate from this - no cheap Filipinos for the Germans.

no cheap Filipinos for the Germans You can issue visas for specific sectors though. Italy offers visas to carers and nurses - many of which go to Filipinos, Ukrainians and Moldovans. I wonder what the British will specialize in?

Australians (and I guess some other nationalities) can get a working holiday visa for a range of European and non European countries

global-goose.com/working-holiday-visas-for-australians/

I wonder if the UK will try to negotiate some similar working holiday visas for UK citizens.

You’ve tied yourselves up in knots. There’s also nothing you can do to overturn democracy. You weren’t the majority. You don’t like it. We get it. We pity you.

There’s also nothing you can do to overturn democracy.
THe electoral cycle changes results totally every few years
its called Democracy
as Trump has learned

to deny the electorate a periodic vote is to deny democracy

The reality is also that you won’t go anywhere. You will live in the UK. You will suck it up, You will continue to blame everyone but yourself. After all by default you must be wealthy, educated, faultless members of society. You can add arrogant and pathetic to that list of credentials.

Stay bitter. It won’t change a thing. We have left.

@ListeningQuietly

There’s also nothing you can do to overturn democracy. THe electoral cycle changes results totally every few years its called Democracy as Trump has learned

to deny the electorate a periodic vote is to deny democracy

Good luck getting another referendum. It won’t happen. Any party that stood on that electoral ticket would be eviscerated at the polls.

@TerryHearn

You’ve tied yourselves up in knots. There’s also nothing you can do to overturn democracy. You weren’t the majority. You don’t like it. We get it. We pity you.

Are you still talking about it? You won Get over it.

You personally don't know what to do with your victory except enjoy not being in the EU.

It's not like you've had no time to even think about what you would like to see change.

A lack of imagination...

Personally...

Much more devolved Government in the UK.
Higher taxes on wealth and the well off so it can be invested in schools, local infrastructure, local higher education.
Smaller school classes with a wider range of subjects with courses suitable for the 21st century including critical thinking.
A change to the voting system so people do feel that their vote matters every election.

And that's just for starters.

Good luck getting another referendum. It won’t happen. Any party that stood on that electoral ticket would be eviscerated at the polls.
Have you ever heard of general elections

they can have quite radical outcomes you know