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Would you support a new English lockdown?

583 replies

demitrimendeleev1 · 21/12/2020 15:05

Just that really
Yabu- I wouldn’t
Yanbu- I would

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PuppyMonkey · 21/12/2020 18:36

Came back on to see people are still glibly saying “shield the vulnerable” “shield the vulnerable” it’s like Covid bingo on this thread.Grin

timeforanewstart · 21/12/2020 18:37

@southeastdweller but if we don't do
Something we will be in high tiers for a long time
Tier 4 is covering a lot of places and likely more may be added
People are stuck pretty much in their homes already

PatchworkElmer · 21/12/2020 18:40

@DownstairsMixUp I’m so sorry Flowers

I honestly think another lockdown (in which I work from home whilst having toddler DS with me) would break me. But I will find a way to manage it if I need to I guess.

ittakes2 · 21/12/2020 18:40

We are in tier 4 and I wouldn’t support it only because I don’t think it’s fair places with low transmission have to lock down too

Aisforharlot · 21/12/2020 18:41

Absolutely not. I contemplated jumping off the parking garage roof after news of tier 4.

MercyBooth · 21/12/2020 18:42

No And if they are silly enough to cancel the support bubbles i as a full time family carer will ring Social Services and tell them im going on strike.

Zoecarter · 21/12/2020 18:42

Only if schools closed the second lock down failed due to the non closer of schools

timeforanewstart · 21/12/2020 18:42

@ittakes2 trouble is places are going up ans people are still travelling between tiers

Zoecarter · 21/12/2020 18:43

Are you ok @Aisforharlot can you speak to a gp ?

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demitrimendeleev1 · 21/12/2020 18:45

I won’t lie with us now having been through 2 lockdowns already and the south east now being under a lockdown with more planned in other regions I’m really supprised at the strength of support

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Aisforharlot · 21/12/2020 18:46

Thanks @Zoecarter, it was a dark moment that passed. I'm already on SSRIs and the gp can't change reality. However gym time is my mental health valve and that is shut now, which super doesn't help.

Tinselerama21 · 21/12/2020 18:54

@ForestNymph not sure handsanitisers at shop doors is going to do much to stop a highly infectious airborne virus - but ok 🙄

Also how do you shield massive swathes of the working population, if you’re male, over 50 and overweight (note I said overweight not obese). You’re vulnerable.

ForestNymph · 21/12/2020 18:58

[quote Tinselerama21]@ForestNymph not sure handsanitisers at shop doors is going to do much to stop a highly infectious airborne virus - but ok 🙄

Also how do you shield massive swathes of the working population, if you’re male, over 50 and overweight (note I said overweight not obese). You’re vulnerable.[/quote]
The same way you lock them down - home working as an option for everyone, vulnerable or not.

Iremembertheelderlykoreanlady · 21/12/2020 18:58

They need to move to online learning (Except for vulnerable children/Key worker children) until end of Feb.

By that time the vaccine will have been rolled out to the majority of most vulnerable and the winter pressure on NHS will have started to ease.

Schools are the biggest spreader.

SnackBitch2020 · 21/12/2020 19:00

No

Lorius · 21/12/2020 19:01

Frankly I think we need a proper lockdown. Too many people are not following the rules and are putting others at risk.

The rule should be- unless you are a key worker, stay the fuck at home at all times.

None of this outdoor 'exercise', meeting other households for a 'walk' (which is even allowed in tier 4 for some reason Hmm), or trips to the Range.

Each household should be allocated one supermarket trip per week to be used for* buying essentials only*- not gin and chocolate Hmm

I'd also like to see something similar to the French system where people have to carry a form every time they leave home.

I would support a financial reward system for good Samaritans who report neighbours who do not stay at home.

We would soon be able to eradicate the virus if people followed the rules and stayed the fuck at home.

wanderings · 21/12/2020 19:01

NO. NO. NO. NO. NO.

The country has been ruined enough.
People's mental health has been ruined enough.
Business has been ruined enough.
Education has been ruined enough.
The entire futures of the younger generation have been ruined enough, for a virus which barely affects them, and THEY will be the ones paying the consequences of pleaded-for-by-Mumsnet lockdown for years, if not decades, to come. Is this what we really want?

We need to see lockdown for the TOTAL FUCKING DISASTER which it is. While we're in the thick of things, it is being painted as the only solution, rightly or wrongly: but we MUST NOT look back on it fondly, and some people on Mumsnet seem determined to do. By the time the reality of lockdown (not the virus, LOCKDOWN) bites, with millions unemployed, thousands dead by suicide, Boris the buffoon will be long gone, creaming off his millions, and the young will be facing a very bad situation, which was caused by people "baying for lockdown". Also, now that the monumental precedent of lockdown has been set, I do foresee a danger that lockdown might become the go-to solution every time there's a slightly worse flu season than usual: people might say "help, the NHS is getting overwhelmed, we need a lockdown: give us our pocket money so we don't have to work".

Lockdown has also revealed an extremely ugly side to public behaviour, and government by division, deliberate misinformation, scaremongering, gaslighting, and treating the public like idiots. Yes, I know mumsnet thinks the public are idiots and "selfish arseholes": perhaps it's a self-fulfilling prophecy of how we are being treated by The Three Bellends. I know that the above methods of government happen all the time, they're just plainly obvious right now.

Also, I don't see the point of this obsession with "keeping as much of the population alive at all costs, albeit in an extremely miserable existence". The world is a dangerous and risky place. People die. Life itself has a 100% mortality rate.

caringcarer · 21/12/2020 19:02

Yes.

zigaziga · 21/12/2020 19:02

Hell no.

I don’t think it’s possible to go back to a March style lockdown anyway. There were lots of shops and services that could have opened that closed down for a while because there was this whole “it’s the right thing to do” feeling and I think that’s gone. A lot of people didn’t work who could have borderline called themselves essential. Again, this time they’d work.
Support bubbles didn’t exist back then and now they are quite wide, not just single adults but also anyone with a child under 1.& can’t see them getting rid of support bubbles. And then since you’ve got support bubbles other people can easily meet with the odd person and call it a bubble if challenged.
I feel like May- June was pretty unique. People felt like we were pulling together and it would all be gone by the autumn. Nearing a year on I don’t think it would be remotely the same.

zigaziga · 21/12/2020 19:03

March - June *

MercyBooth · 21/12/2020 19:03

@Lorius How long do you think the NHS would cope if unpaid carers went on strike?

And i bet come the end of next year you would be moaning about obesity and "scroungers"

Namechanged1122 · 21/12/2020 19:03

@Lorius You sound so very dull.

ForeverInADay · 21/12/2020 19:04

Yes but I'd appreciate it would be devastating for many, including me as if we have one, I may well not have a job after the end of January.

So with a heavy heart yes.

I would rather the government concurrently sort out faster delivery of vaccines.

ForestNymph · 21/12/2020 19:05

@wanderings

NO. NO. NO. NO. NO.

The country has been ruined enough.
People's mental health has been ruined enough.
Business has been ruined enough.
Education has been ruined enough.
The entire futures of the younger generation have been ruined enough, for a virus which barely affects them, and THEY will be the ones paying the consequences of pleaded-for-by-Mumsnet lockdown for years, if not decades, to come. Is this what we really want?

We need to see lockdown for the TOTAL FUCKING DISASTER which it is. While we're in the thick of things, it is being painted as the only solution, rightly or wrongly: but we MUST NOT look back on it fondly, and some people on Mumsnet seem determined to do. By the time the reality of lockdown (not the virus, LOCKDOWN) bites, with millions unemployed, thousands dead by suicide, Boris the buffoon will be long gone, creaming off his millions, and the young will be facing a very bad situation, which was caused by people "baying for lockdown". Also, now that the monumental precedent of lockdown has been set, I do foresee a danger that lockdown might become the go-to solution every time there's a slightly worse flu season than usual: people might say "help, the NHS is getting overwhelmed, we need a lockdown: give us our pocket money so we don't have to work".

Lockdown has also revealed an extremely ugly side to public behaviour, and government by division, deliberate misinformation, scaremongering, gaslighting, and treating the public like idiots. Yes, I know mumsnet thinks the public are idiots and "selfish arseholes": perhaps it's a self-fulfilling prophecy of how we are being treated by The Three Bellends. I know that the above methods of government happen all the time, they're just plainly obvious right now.

Also, I don't see the point of this obsession with "keeping as much of the population alive at all costs, albeit in an extremely miserable existence". The world is a dangerous and risky place. People die. Life itself has a 100% mortality rate.

All of this. 100%.

Its a dangerous, dictatorial precedent thats been set. And yes, whats the point of life if we can't even live it? Quality of life is important.

MrsMomoa · 21/12/2020 19:06

timeforanewstart

@MrsMomoa thats what lockdowns are for to slow the spread not to eradicate it not now
If too many have it then how do you think nhs can cope if we don't slow the spread

Not everyone who gets it ends up in hospital!
What's going to happen when the economy is eradicated??

We can't keep going into lockdown.