Would you support a new English lockdown?

[demitrimendeleev1]

Just that really
Yabu- I wouldn’t
Yanbu- I would

@DownstairsMixUp

No. Tier 4 is already too much. We will never know the deaths caused by lockdowns which is already putting so many at risk. No more.

We actually will know. Excess death rates give a clear idea and these can be averaged over time to allow for factors such as the first wave speeding up deaths in care homes. Causes can be analysed. At this point there has not been a significant shift in suicide rates. There will be an impact on care for other illnesses which has been acknowledged. It is extremely difficult. Overrun hospitals also put lives at risk which is part of the calculation.

@ragged except the data here from where cases rose or remained static in the last lockdown have shown that the vast majority were in teenagers....where are teenagers mixing on masse 5 days a weel. What is the data in the US showing in terms of demographics?

OP “ By lockdown I mean the rules in March”

So you’d have it like March with no support bubbles?

Nope. Summer one was hard but least you could go out on a walk and get out the house if need to. Obviously winter you still can but not the same. Plus so many business shut as a result of the last one. We lost quite a few little resturants and wouldn't be surprised if more followed if we went fully again

Two months of shutdown, get everyone immunised, move on
Move on how exactly? With a trashed economy, hospitality and travel industries decimated, mass unemployment, not to mention the mental health crisis that has arisen, the loss of homes etc.

Yes, a lockdown as in March.

No. Shield the vulnerable and open everything up.

No.
It's doing nothing but ruining the economy, children's education, people's livelihoods and everyone's future.

It isn't going to stop the virus.
It isn't going to make it go away.
It isn't going to stop people getting it.

All it is doing is slowing the spread.
That is it.

It's doing nothing but ruining the economy, children's education, people's livelihoods and everyone's future.

Pretty much

@Miseryl

No. Shield the vulnerable and open everything up.

I don't understand why this isn't already the plan. Shield the vulnerable, keep hand sanitizers at shop doors, then eventually vaccinate the vulnerable.

@MrsMomoa

No. It's doing nothing but ruining the economy, children's education, people's livelihoods and everyone's future.

It isn't going to stop the virus.
It isn't going to make it go away.
It isn't going to stop people getting it.

All it is doing is slowing the spread.
That is it.

100% agree. Its awful.

@MrsMomoa thats what lockdowns are for to slow the spread not to eradicate it not now
If too many have it then how do you think nhs can cope if we don't slow the spread

What does shield the vunerable mean ? Lock them in ? What about the vulnerable with children ?
I can't believe people state this without saying how they will do this

YNBA. The reason the other lockdowns have failed is because people do not listen to the rules. For some reason they think they are above it and are not thinking about the consequences of not following it. The government should have put the country should have put the country into lockdown the second the virus entered the country. We would not be in this situation had they done so. It's quite embarrassing really how it's all been handled. But yes I'd be pro lockdown as it will mean the virus will have less chance to spread meaning less people becoming infected and less people dying.

@DownstairsMixUp
I’m sorry that you and your family have gone through that.
I don’t think there are easy answers. Anomalies in data will show up. These are awful times.

Depends if it was a proper lockdown or not. If schools are open and most shops are open and workplaces require staff to come in when they can work from home (à la November), then absolutely not. It's a waste of money for the economy and is horrendous for mental health.

A proper lockdown for a couple of weeks? Yes.

Yes, if the lockdown was long enough and absolute, with only emergency services and food shops open. Borders and county borders closed. We need to really bit the bullet to get rid of this.

No.
It's doing nothing but ruining the economy, children's education, people's livelihoods and everyone's future.

It isn't going to stop the virus.
It isn't going to make it go away.
It isn't going to stop people getting it.

All it is doing is slowing the spread.
That is it.

This!

Do people not think pubs / restaurants and that are suffering anyway tier 4 not open , tier 3 not open , tier 2 only with household.
Where as if a short strict lockdown got us back to lower numbers along with a vaccine we may be able to have better prospects

Only if all primary children in school. Not fair for some to be in school due to nature of having two parents a keyworker, whereas families with one keyworker and one full time non-keyworker cannot have a place.

Really feel for primary children of this happens as staff cannot teach children in school and those at home, not fair for children at all. Or for people to lose their jobs just because they are not say an accountant and therefore not essential! Children will end up in more poverty.

I don’t see much point. The generally good compliance we saw in the spring won’t happen and as for people calling for a stricter lockdown, how the he’ll do you think it will be enforced?

Like someone else says earlier, nine months of economy trashing us more than enough and as usual on MN, there is a lot of ignorance and minimising about the mental health implications about these restrictions. This obsession with keeping everyone alive at all costs is all wrong. I wonder how. Any people here would still support lockdowns if they were the ones who were being beaten by their husbands, or woke up at 3am every morning worrying how they’re going to pay their rent with no income, or had kids who said they wanted to take their own lives because they missed their friends at school?

Also for many kids their education has been hugely affected by lots of self isolation
If we go back with such high numbers as now I can't see many schools staying open fully as kids in isolation , teachers off

We have gone into tier 1, but bordered by tier 2 and Wales. Apparently Saturday someone drove 200 miles to try and come here for a pint without a substantial meal amongst the 300 or more people that the pub owners had to turn away that weren't from our county.