Would you support a new English lockdown?

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Just that really
Yabu- I wouldn’t
Yanbu- I would

Voted for lockdown (YANBU), but only because we have the vaccine. Two months of shutdown, get everyone immunised, move on. I would take that! (Previously I've been on the fence, leaning towards 'learn-to-live-with-it', but it feels like we're close to the endgame.)

Tier2, tier 3, tier 4 and lockdown all seem to be the same to me. Whichever one we are in makes no difference to what we are doing which is staying home as much as possible

@funinthesun19 if you get numbers down will be less spread in schools
If you think about it most if us can't go and sit in one persons house 2 people on other side of room , yet 30 kids sat in one classroom
The march lockdown worked if we did a similar one for couple weeks straight after xmas day when kids are off anyway most for a couple weeks still - less distuption than going back in jan and kids off for weeks isolating or having to have another lockdown.

Also we are all living in a partial lockdown as it is , tier 4 practically is

I think it needs to happen. Schools shut and non essentials etc... in January. And the government need to bloody well sort themselves out and get a good vaccination strategy in place to vaccinate as many as possible in January. I did that online calculator and I would be due the vaccine between June and September is they vaccinate 1 million a week. They have so far supposedly vaccinated half a million in 2 weeks.

If (and its a big IF) it meant that this damn virus was gone forever, then yes. But it won't. Currently tier 3, lost my much loved job in the first lockdown and just found another, which tbh can be done from home - but not with 2 kids needing schooling.

Although I think maybe another lockdown but allowing people to all have one support bubble
So two households treated as one just so people have someone else to go to for break / cup if tea but within your own area and obviously not compulsory

Yanbu

But only if it's a PROPER lockdown where stupid flights don't go in and out - and short term in duration

The difference with previous lockdowns is that mass vaccination is on the horizon. This time I’m for a lockdown just because we are so close and I’m worried this new strain will swamp the NHS( assuming new strain doesn’t affect vaccine)

It needs to be short, hard and fast to get under control then we can breath a bit until the vaccine is rolled out.

@Hapixmas the vaccine is being rolled out quickly its very sensitive storage wise plus we only have so many doses as the whole world is buying it
One of first countries to also start and we have given i think they said 500,000 of first doses
A game changer will be some other vaccines being approved alongside the current one

Tier 4, which I live in, is exactly the same as the last "lockdown".

No, I wouldn't.

No. Because they don’t work! And cause more harm than the harm they are trying to prevent

[quote timeforanewstart]@Hapixmas the vaccine is being rolled out quickly its very sensitive storage wise plus we only have so many doses as the whole world is buying it
One of first countries to also start and we have given i think they said 500,000 of first doses
A game changer will be some other vaccines being approved alongside the current one [/quote]
Sorry yes I understand that. Obviously I'm hoping that the Oxford one gets approved but I don't want the government to F**k this one up. They should be planning now for a fast roll out. But I don't trust them. They haven't got anything right. People weren't even allowed testing before the summer.

@Sunnysideup999 but the first one did work
They won't eliminate it but do get numbers down if proper lockdown
November wasn't a proper lockdown you could still get a mcdonalds take Away or a costa
Witty already said expect higher tiers not tiers to be moved down
A short sharp lockdown could help whilst a lot of us are home anyway and childcare is covered.
But that should be strict and borders closes to passengers
Then hopefully the numbers go down and we get slowly back and more will be immunised

I think we need to define lockdown here...
Previous half baked efforts where pubs, shops, schools etc have been open have nit been successful.
I'd support a short, sharp absolutely everything including these to be closed if it meant we kicked this into touch. But I think there are far too many so badly impacted (and frankly tired) by this in so many ways that a longer lockdown would be dreadful.

An alternative woukd be to keep non essential stuff closed and give parents the option to home school perhaps?

@Hapixmas one thing they haven't messes up is the vaccines and I don't think they will
But if we don't get numbers down we won't have nurses etc to administer which is why I think a short sharp lockdown may be worth a try just to buy as a few kore weeks to get nhs vaccinated etc

If they close the borders yes - then we can try to reduce circulating infection. If we're going to leave the borders open, no. What's the point?

@doubleshotespresso thats what I think the november one was not enough yet still caused financial losses to some , should of been an all shut inc takeaways etc
Also if we have a strict one shut supermarket non essential ailses for browsing , only let in if your desperate
So many by me were using supermarket as a family day out

I don't know what the solution is. I disagree that lockdowns don't work. They are not along term solution but were never intended to be.

There was a high level of compliance during the first lockdown and we got the infection rate down to a more manageable level. The second "lockdown" wasn't as strict and I don't think compliance was as good, add the new variant C19 into the mix and this is where we are.

If case rates continue to rise then, depending on how high the numbers get, I'm not sure how we avoid another lockdown. The hospitalisation rate on the most recent figures is about 6% (my back of a fag packet calculation) of those who test positive but this doesn't take the lag between infection and being hospitalized into account so the figure is probably higher. How many daily covid admissions can our hospitals cope with? Which services are we willing to suspend to make room for covid patients? What would our infection rate look like if we shielded the vulnerable and the rest of us carried on without restrictions? 100k, 200k per day?

These are the questions we need to answer to determine if another lockdown is necessary and at the moment we don't have enough information about all of the implications of the mutated virus.

@PicsInRed agree has to be with borders closed too

Well where we have hardly been out of severe restrictions here. It’s worrying in terms of the economic impact generally and the impact on those not covered by support schemes. I worry about the effects on my children, now and in the coming years. I have had to make hard decisions as I am ecv.
It astounds me that there are still some who are saying lockdowns don’t work though, as cases rise when they are over. One thing this has shown up is the shocking state of maths education in general and the lack of understanding of many. It is to slow down growth and reduce death rates. If you don’t understand, please look it up. It is similar to compound interest or the rice grain on a chess board doubling. The rates will keep going up but we need breaks to get the infection rates down in order to reduce the overall number of deaths.

I think a lockdown is inevitable and I support it. It is for the collective good but for me personally it’s devastating as it means I can’t be with my dying DF or comfort my DM who won’t be allowed to be with him if he suddenly gets taken to hospital in what will be a one way journey.

I suspect having schools closed will make a difference to the spread of the virus. We all want schools to open but the elephant in the room is the effect it’s had on the spread. I’m in tier 4 in Kent and it’s been rife in schools. Again, though I recognise the reasons I think online learning will kill my ADD DD’s chances in A Levels if they still insist that they sit them in summer and I am very concerned for her MH at this stage.

The many consequences for all of us reach way beyond any improvement in the pandemic don’t they?