Would you support a new English lockdown?

[demitrimendeleev1]

Just that really
Yabu- I wouldn’t
Yanbu- I would

I’m pretty supprised at these results tbh they are completely out of step with the initial ones

@DonkeyMcFluff

Those saying lockdowns don’t work have obviously made the mistake of thinking it’s supposed to eliminate the virus. It isn’t. It can’t. The only aim is to keep the numbers manageable.

Exactly - so we are doomed to an ongoing cycle of stop start until enough people have either been vaccinated or have caught it naturally to give us herd immunity. This could take months or even years.

In the meantime lives are ruined, mental health suffers, businesses go bust and people die of other conditions they might have survived. I'd like to see the current suicide statistics. I suspect they would make very chastening reading.

I'd like to see the current suicide statistics. I suspect they would make very chastening reading.

They are horrendous. I'll find a publicly accessible link if I can.

Issue is, that with or without lockdown what you describe will happen because treatments for preventable/ curable disease will be cancelled/ postponed due to staffing and bed space issues, mental health services will be unable to operate (more so that precovid, and lets face it they were dire anyway) due to staffing meaning appointments are cancelled etc. Livelihoods would still be ruined, businesses would continue to go bust AND more people would die of COVID because there wouldn't be room for them in hospital.

Which ever way you model it, it is too late. COVID has done it's damage, it is just which damage do you want?

have caught it naturally to give us herd immunity.

Most recent data suggests this will never happen without a vaccine, reinfection rates are climbing.

I'm anti-lockdown. Shield the vulnerable, re-open society and let the virus rip and just deal with the consequences, it wouldn't be any worse than this

No. I am part of the 3million that this government has excluded from any financial support. I cannot afford this.

Those saying lockdowns don’t work have obviously made the mistake of thinking it’s supposed to eliminate the virus

Not at all; I'd hope by now that most realise viruses can hardly ever be eliminated

I totally get the principle of reducing the numbers/easing the pressure on the NHS - it's just that I believe that ship has sailed now so many are suffering because much of it remains closed

I would support a lockdown because I don't see that there is much alternative given that rates of infection are rising so fast and would inevitably spread outside the tier 4 areas.

Its dreadful, but we don't have any choice sadly.

I would if schools were shut
Otherwise no I wouldn’t support it

No because my mental health will really suffer. But I have a horrible feeling there will be one. I'll probably end up attempting suicide but covid is king so that's all that matters 😥

@HighSpecWhistle

You’re right to mention long Covid, I’m a sufferer myself and have had it for 8 months now. I’m recovering but I’m still wiped out.

I’m tired of people who ignore this and only focus on the deaths. It really isn’t just about that.

However, I’m not in favour of a blanket closure of schools, as our children have missed out on too much of their education already. I also saw only too clearly how damaging it was for my DDs’ mental health to be out of school for so long.

Definitely not already in tier 3 and have been under restrictions since Aug. Had enough!

I am already there in T4. A lot has been spread by schools and sorry they need to be closed until the kids are vaccinated

It is the lack of money that affects me - too recently self-employed to get help and if gyms stay closed till Easter that will be year with only 3.5 months of work. If I got money to stay home obviously a major worry and sleepless nights and anxiety would be eased but my sector is the first to shut and the last to open.

I'm in Tier 4 but WH Smith is open and all the pensioners are meeting up in town with Costa coffee cups in hand!
The local radio is constantly reminding us of all the shopping centres and events which are a few miles away including a pantomime and a circus.
I'd support a lockdown but I'm not sure what lockdown means anymore.
Stay at home but you are also allowed to go anywhere which is open which is everything

I'm in T4 so had 2 weeks work since the end of the November lockdown

Things are out of control now.
I've thought since September we should all go back into proper lockdown from just after Boxing Day for about 7 weeks until just after Boxing Day.
Nobody likes going out in January and nobody has any money to spend, and a lot of people are temporarily off the drink and eating healthily, so I think we should just all hibernate at home, apart from up to an hour outside for exercise every day.

I might if lockdown meant lockdown. No support bubbles and no mixing of households at all. In fact only if we were all under house arrest. It's not going to happen. So it's all a complete waste of time. Christmas day is a fiasco.

Schools are mostly closed for in-person learning in USA yet their spread is as bad as UK. Doesn't look like any more of a magic pill than face covers are.

How about we just shut absolutely everything down. No hospitals, no petrol stations, no police on duty, nobody maintaining the electricity grid, no rubbish collection, no virus testing. Not sure about nuclear power stations, maybe we should keep some kind of skeleton crew in to stop a meltdown. Otherwise, nobody allowed to leave their homes at all. 3 weeks of true "proper lockdown". I bet a lot of MNers would love that. What could possibly go wrong?

Yes a short strict one rather than in out high tiers which are semi lockdowns
Ideally do after xmas days whilst schools are still off as well

I’m in tier 4 - feels like lockdown to me!

I think the first one did work the second likes of costa and macdonals etc open isn't a lock down and not necessity
Maybe a 2/3 week really harsh one might get numbers down and get a few more vaccinations done

Also november school was open we can't pretend it doesn't spread in schools , if we had 2/3 week mini harsh lockdown from boxing day less disruption to working families and childcare bubbles are now allowed

You realise that 7 weeks off was because covid spreads in schools? And that lockdown would allow schools to prioritise remote learning and make it effective, instead of trying to run both in person and remote at the same time? I don’t think your point is as good an argument for schools being open without mitigation as you seem to think it is...

The virus spreads because we aren’t all locked indoors 24/7. Which is an unrealistic solution isn’t it? So by your logic we should just shut everything.
How long should we keep the schools closed for? Because it’s not going away no matter what we do. Letting children’s education go down the drain is just opening a new can of worms.

You and a lot of others seem to think home schooling is the big solution and that children will magically not be affected in any way shape or form. You’re very naive if you think it works well for everyone.

You’ll all be complaining again in years to come when a whole generation are claiming more benefits because they can’t get forward in life with better jobs. And then you’ll have a light bulb moment, “Oh maybe if they didn’t have so much time off school which I fully supported....”

People also forgetting if numbers are high and schools go back loads will be off self isolating etc as well
As they have been in many areas