Would you support a new English lockdown?

[demitrimendeleev1]

Just that really
Yabu- I wouldn’t
Yanbu- I would

Yes as long as they closed schools and businesses were told to let people work from home where it’s possible so no just being there for the sake of it. Really strict so all those who think the rules do not apply to them may get the message at last.

We need to minimise mixing and get the vaccine out there.

I'm already in one, in Tier 4. But would support secondary schools home learning.

We are in Tier 4-there isn’t much more locked down we can get here.

Do I think schools being open is aiding the spread? Yes.

So I think schools should reopen in Tier 4 areas on January 4th? No.

People just think it’s Christmas and I’m going to see my family and friends. The government relaxing the rules then snatching it away from people has infuriated lots of people too which is understandable. I think many will still go see family

They would have had more of a chance of compliance if A) they hadn't said we could mix at Xmas. And B) waited until the last weekend vefire Xmas where anyone who works during the week is bound to have spent £££ on the assumption they woukd be able to have their parents/grandparents, /siblings over.

I mean why? Was they knew abkut rhe kew strain before. Wanted to make sure we had "kept the high street alive" one more yr?

@Passmeabottlemrjones

I would, but I am lucky to be in a position where lockdown would not affect me mentally or financially, and I know that is not the case for a lot of people.

I think I feel the same way, although it's more about doing what needs doing in very difficult circumstances.

Having said that, if we have to continue to give the same level of childcare support and emotional support to my daughter and our grandchildren. it may just finish me off. Our quality of life has reduced drastically and as an introvert I'm struggling with not being able to just hunker down and ride out the storm.

At the same time I acknowledge that we have it easier than many and I do support measures to keep this virus at bay as much as is practical.

No

I don't want primary schools to close. My grandchildren's infant school has had no cases of cv and neither has the attached junior. For purely selfish reasons and as long as it's safe I would like them to remain open. It's a different story if the teachers are put at risk ie cases start emerging.

Yes, fortunately we are in a position that we could semi retire/retire early comfortably.
The strain put on so many families has been horrific, so as a whole, no.

I honestly believe a full restricted lockdown like we had in March is the only way. My family and friends have all stuck to the rules and guidelines as they’ve come along but just reading some of the posts on here there are obviously a lot of people who haven’t and have no intention to! I do not have the words to describe how I feel about them!

And yes, I feel very sorry for those losing jobs or are alone - it’s crap but what alternative is there? Other European countries are suffering in the same way - there is no solution that will suit everyone unfortunately - it’s a complete shitshow.

But @knittingaddict you’re choosing to help your grandchildren. Every other parent I know battled through homeschool plus working with no help whatsoever. So if you’re not able to do /concerned about the risk you need to say no surely?

Nope, not a chance.

I think the government has pissed on long enough with a ‘tactic’ that doesn’t work. Science, data, figures are skewed to suit their agenda (mainly giving their mates huge amounts of money).

Invest in a vaccine, invest in shielding then vulnerable/elderly and re-establish society - we can still socially distance, wear masks, WFH etc but hospitality, shops, economy needs to reopen.

I think 9 months of screwing over the economy for future genesis quite long enough.

I honestly believe a full restricted lockdown like we had in March is the only way

It wasn't really restricted though was it. I mean there were far too many exemptions in place for it to work as quickly and effectively as we wanted.

I mean those exemptions needed to be there , as well , we are a country that has human rights as opposed to shooting on sight anyone who steps onto the door steps.

But as I said earlier, between the set up of our country and the exemptions, its not really something that will work

No. I’m struggling and have been for the last few months. I live alone and have been working from home since March. I really cannot take much more.
Have absolutely no faith in Boris and his cronies any more. He had months to prepare earlier in the year for what was going to be a difficult winter but he awarded contracts to his buddies rather than competent people. He’s wasted millions of taxpayers money, destroyed people’s livelihoods and businesses and still hasn’t come up with a strategy to get us out of this shitshow.

Confused by a couple of posters who said lockdowns dont work. It clearly did going off the figures

It didbt solve any thing though did it. I mean if we can't maintain it then what's the point. We all end up broke depressed lonely unemployed and sick as opposed to just sick?

Tier 3 here. Im in my 70s so the lockdown does not really affect me. I dont travel. But I see the effects on the economy and on the lives, businesses and mental health of the community. Lockdowns do not work.

Shield the vulnerable and let the rest get on with their lives. People will die but they will die anyway.

As for the NHS - we dont have one any more. We have a National Corona Service. Thats not what I signed up for when I paid all that money into the kitty.

Yes.

Think we can comfortably say the majority now support a new lockdown
So much easier to support one, when the majority on mnet haven't been affected, still have their jobs, money in the bank and their sanity.

Willyoujustbequiet I think some of us meant that lockdown simply defers cases, and that the numbers which dip for a while just go straight back up again later

Granted it eases pressure on the NHS, but there's little point in that either when so much of it is still closed for other needs (and, as said, when that carried right on over the summer)

Yes. Previous lockdowns have successfully reduced the R rate and number of deaths. The government doesn’t want to be unpopular, they’ll only do it if they must. If it’s implemented then there’s a damn good reason.

@Willyoujustbequiet

Confused by a couple of posters who said lockdowns dont work. It clearly did going off the figures

I don't know if they are thinking lockdown should have rid us of the virus (not possible at current infection rates)? Which lockdowns have done in other countries, however those lockdowns were much faster and harsher than ours.

Granted it eases pressure on the NHS, but there's little point in that either
Of course there’s a point. If the NHS has 100 beds and 90 people have Covid, all get beds and hopefully survive. But if 150 people have Covid, only 100 get beds and the rest are left to die at home. It’s vital to keep numbers of sick people below the NHS capacity.

I would support lockdown v2, with schools open. I would reluctantly support a version where secondary schools move online for 3 or 4 weeks. I wouldn't support primary schools being closed tho, you can't educate primary aged dcs at home online and they need the structure and social aspect of the school day.

Those saying lockdowns don’t work have obviously made the mistake of thinking it’s supposed to eliminate the virus. It isn’t. It can’t. The only aim is to keep the numbers manageable.

@DonkeyMcFluff

Granted it eases pressure on the NHS, but there's little point in that either Of course there’s a point. If the NHS has 100 beds and 90 people have Covid, all get beds and hopefully survive. But if 150 people have Covid, only 100 get beds and the rest are left to die at home. It’s vital to keep numbers of sick people below the NHS capacity.

In deed.

We only have the capacity we currently have because of emergency measures - cramming extra beds in where they shouldn't be. Opening up defunct and obsolete wards which were due for renovation etc. And they were (under) staffing them by relying on health care workers to work extra shifts, bringing in final year nursing students, redeploying midwife students, unqualified drs etc. We cannot keep up that level on an ongoing basis. To continue on without a lockdown would overwhelm the NHS as staff cannot keep up the ridiculous hours they've been doing. I have 22 (of 32) days annual leave to carry over next year. Meaning I have 53 days annual leave to take next year. That's almost 3 months off I could have - if we all do that, they'll be no staff at all. If we carry it over again, what happens the next year? If we have people off sick with stress and stress related illness, how do we staff hospitals then?