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Would you support a new English lockdown?

583 replies

demitrimendeleev1 · 21/12/2020 15:05

Just that really
Yabu- I wouldn’t
Yanbu- I would

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demitrimendeleev1 · 21/12/2020 15:38

I’m supprised how tight the vote is all official polls have found overwhelming support

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TinkersRucksack · 21/12/2020 15:39

No. I work in hospitality. Enough already.

Flowerpot345 · 21/12/2020 15:40

"Yes because I dont trust people to follow the tiered rules. Lockdown is a clearer message."

I agree.

PuppyMonkey · 21/12/2020 15:40

I think if it’s a proper lockdown for a finite period of XXX weeks until the vaccine has been rolled out, that would be the way to go.

Lockdown in March DID work. The numbers came down, the NHS wasn’t overwhelmed.

It was the opening up again before test and trace was running properly that didn’t work.

I’m baffled by the “we need to carry on with our normal lives now, let the elderly and vulnerable shield.” Shielding the elderly and vulnerable means you have to do all the restrictions we have been doing, up to and including lockdowns. Otherwise they won’t be shielded.

It won’t be a “normal life” if a virus is running rife and the infection rate forces the NHS to close and society breaks down.Confused

PontiacBandit · 21/12/2020 15:42

We're sticking to lockdown rules as it is other than schools open. I don't support more disruption to my DCs education, I'm unable to homeschool effectively whilst working.

cardibach · 21/12/2020 15:43

@funinthesun19

No I wouldn’t support it. So many businesses have closed down and children need to be in school. I know one child close to me who has had 7 WEEKS off school since they reopened in September. She’s doing her GCSEs and it’s having a profound impact on her academically and emotionally.

Both lockdowns made no real difference so what’s the bloody point? Shall we all just sit at home and lose our livelihoods and educations and have no joy in life ever again for nothing?

You realise that 7 weeks off was because covid spreads in schools? And that lockdown would allow schools to prioritise remote learning and make it effective, instead of trying to run both in person and remote at the same time? I don’t think your point is as good an argument for schools being open without mitigation as you seem to think it is...
xxmassy · 21/12/2020 15:43

@PuppyMonkey

I think if it’s a proper lockdown for a finite period of XXX weeks until the vaccine has been rolled out, that would be the way to go.

Lockdown in March DID work. The numbers came down, the NHS wasn’t overwhelmed.

It was the opening up again before test and trace was running properly that didn’t work.

I’m baffled by the “we need to carry on with our normal lives now, let the elderly and vulnerable shield.” Shielding the elderly and vulnerable means you have to do all the restrictions we have been doing, up to and including lockdowns. Otherwise they won’t be shielded.

It won’t be a “normal life” if a virus is running rife and the infection rate forces the NHS to close and society breaks down.Confused

Exactly. No matter whether it is a lockdown or not, restrictions or not - normal life has gone (for now) and until the vaccination program is completed to a decent degree, no one will be able to 'get on with our life'.
Tinselerama21 · 21/12/2020 15:44

Only if it included high schools.

I have been fully supportive of the need to lockdown (not of this shot show of a government though) as the only real option available.

However, I could not support another if this elephant in the room was not addressed and sorted.

Cases didn’t fall by enough in enough areas to allow a comfortable easing of the restrictions from the Nov lockdown, and in some areas they rose exponentially, Matt Hancock said this rise was mainly amongst teenagers. Yet they’re scratching their heads as to why and what’s different?!? Well HELLO!!

I am raging as currently it feels like we’re having our lives turned upside down with many losing their livelihoods and homes, whilst too many people are still getting sick and dying, all to keep the high schools open.

I understand the social element of keeping schools open and how terrible it would be for students to have to re-take a year at worst. But the latter cannot justify the former any longer.

Angel2702 · 21/12/2020 15:44

No if primary schools in particular close it will cause hardship for many.

The people not following the rules now didn’t follow them in the November lockdown either. So there won’t be the compliance there was in March.

demitrimendeleev1 · 21/12/2020 15:44

With now over 200 votes I think it’s looking like slightly more people support having a lockdown than oppose it.

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OxoMonarch · 21/12/2020 15:45

Unless we have a strict lockdown Wuhan style (which I can't see happening) nothing will change.

We've destroyed the economy and in the long run that is going to cause an incredible amount of poverty and hardship, and death.

The deaths of many are tragic, but we live with avoidable tragic deaths in the form of lifestyle related cancers, road accidents, pollution, poverty, and we don't lock down to prevent those.

As an elderly relative said - I've got to die of something. I'd rather live while I still can.

Tinselerama21 · 21/12/2020 15:46

@funinthesun19 come on you’re not that daft to think the first lockdown made no difference are you?!? Maybe 🤔.

The lockdown in Nov didn’t work as well because the schools WERE OPEN!!!

FractionalGains · 21/12/2020 15:46

The lockdown in March did work in bringing covid rates down, but at a devastating human cost which we haven’t even started to see yet, and which I think will take some people by surprise.

It’s honestly not clear to me that a further lockdown (which would have to be long and hard to work against this strain) is a less awful option than losing control of the virus. Neither is bearable.

Piwlyfbicsly · 21/12/2020 15:47

Even though we will suffer financially, I’d support lockdown if this time the government will implement tough controls over how people are following the rules. With very harsh consequences to those who think they are unique and special. Until now my family suffered unnecessarily while trying to be responsible and follow the rules. It’s all or nothing now.

WanderingMilly · 21/12/2020 15:47

If it was a full lockdown, with all schools being shut, no travelling at all, an evening curfew, furlough money for those who can't work, closing of our borders to travellers coming in/out then yes, I would support it. It would have some worth in trying to get on top of a virus which, by the government's own admission, has got out of control.

If schools remain open, shops are still packed, factories still running and those from abroad are still coming in and out of the country then no, I won't support it. It would mean I'd still be working in school, dealing with children who are spreaders of the virus with no social distancing..... The spread of the virus wouldn't be contained enough yet people would be giving up their freedoms and hospitality businesses losing money and jobs, all to no avail.

Either lockdown properly or not at all and find other ways to manage the problem instead.

Tinselerama21 · 21/12/2020 15:47

@Angel2702 primary schools aren’t the issue, it’s quite clear from the data it’s teenagers.....and where are they mixing on masse....

Moonmelodies · 21/12/2020 15:48

They haven't worked so far because they've been half-assed lockdowns without troops on the streets, exercise banned, rubber bullets, roadblocks etc.
Do it properly, or don't bother.

cardibach · 21/12/2020 15:48

I haven’t voted because I’m in Wales and I don’t think it’s my place to support or not measures in another country. I will say I’m quite relieved we are effectively locked down now, pain in the arse though it undoubtedly is. It’ll all go to hell in a handcart if secondaries (and to a lesser degree primaries) open as before, all in, no distancing, no PPE though.

demitrimendeleev1 · 21/12/2020 15:49

@Moonmelodies

They haven't worked so far because they've been half-assed lockdowns without troops on the streets, exercise banned, rubber bullets, roadblocks etc. Do it properly, or don't bother.
I think that’s a little extreme
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Flowerpot345 · 21/12/2020 15:49

Do you support a lockdown OP?

demitrimendeleev1 · 21/12/2020 15:49

@Flowerpot345

Do you support a lockdown OP?
No I don’t actually
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Whatwouldscullydo · 21/12/2020 15:49

The people not following the rules now didn’t follow them in the November lockdown either. So there won’t be the compliance there was in March

Cos half the rules didn't make sense.

I can go handle money at work but not see my parents?

Pubs have to close but if they shoved some bread on a shelf "non essential " shops could stay open ?

Reduce the buses/trains so 100 people have to cram onto three trains instead of spreading out over 10.

Limiting some items to the point that it mean to eveb get enough you had to drag every one old enough to shop alone out the house and visit multiple shops instead on 1 person going to 1 shop.

Before anyone complainsamd blames me I did as told but unless things make sone kid of sense then most won't bother

Almostslimjim · 21/12/2020 15:50

Yes. I don't fancy 6 weeks of working 24 hours again.

Chocolate1992 · 21/12/2020 15:50

No. How long do we comply with their bullshit for? Indefinitely?

Almostslimjim · 21/12/2020 15:50

24 hours a day again that should say.