Some really selfish people!

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This was said by someone on the news:

"We just made the decision to leave based on the fact that my parents said come, and we couldn't bear the thought of no fresh air and a toddler going rogue round a small flat for the foreseeable," she said.

There are loads of us facing this exact situation and are just bloody well dealing with it.

ForestNymph I don’t think you understood my point. If you let everyone catch it, the 15% needing hospitalisation will go up while hospital capacity plummets. Other illnesses/health conditions which are usually well controlled or treated will soar. People will be unable to get into a hospital bed after say a car accident. People will be unable to work not just due to COVID but other illnesses and health conditions - not to mention accidents etc. Depending on who is ill when and how badly, there could soon be national infrastructure disruption that would make 2020 look like a walk in the park.

You can’t use the current figures as some kind of set-in-stone factual baseline. The current figures are situation dependent.

I am no fan of this government believe you me, but I do think that there are a lot of people working on this who understand the health and societal implications of the government’s decisions better than I do.

The shite people say to justify their complete and utter selfishness is crazy.

You see, this is what I'm talking about. What selfishness? What do you know about me and my life that allows you to make that assumption about me? Or is wrong-think selfish now?

The train companies are as much at fault as those who decided to go IMO. had they refused to accept anyone without a pre-booked ticket then the trains would not have been full.

Think being stuck in a flat with a toddler is worse? I sincerely hope you don't have to watch your child being as unwell as mine currently is with Covid19 or you'll wish you'd followed the rules.

My previously very healthy child has been ill with Covid19 for weeks now. Normally shakes stuff off easily. She's unable to get out of bed, miserable to the point of distraction, no sign of any symptoms abating. Her Christmas is shot, god knows how long it will take her to recover or if she'll make it back to school. One child in her class (who had been out shopping in London....) gave it to 12 others, my child included. Several are really unwell. And these are HEALTHY children. She took all the precautions possible and got it at school - thanks to people who simply will not curtail their lives. I'm a single parent and will be spending Christmas alone with her. My family are doing the same. We've all followed the rules and have to suffer because others insist on 'living their lives'.

Respiratory viruses can only be contained by limiting contact. The advice on how to limit is out there but the British people in their wisdom disagree. There's a theme here.... deny reality, keep mixing, blame the government, rinse, repeat. Blame Boris all you like, those refusing to limit their contact with others are CHOOSING to do so contrary to repeated advice not to.

I despair at the selfishness of this country.

@TornadoOfSouls

ForestNymph I don’t think you understood my point. If you let everyone catch it, the 15% needing hospitalisation will go up while hospital capacity plummets. Other illnesses/health conditions which are usually well controlled or treated will soar. People will be unable to get into a hospital bed after say a car accident. People will be unable to work not just due to COVID but other illnesses and health conditions - not to mention accidents etc. Depending on who is ill when and how badly, there could soon be national infrastructure disruption that would make 2020 look like a walk in the park.

You can’t use the current figures as some kind of set-in-stone factual baseline. The current figures are situation dependent.

I am no fan of this government believe you me, but I do think that there are a lot of people working on this who understand the health and societal implications of the government’s decisions better than I do.

Why will more % need hospitalisation? If 15% is the figure then its 15% regardless whether its 100 or 1000. I accept its more actual patients.

Good for them. Based on your OP, they are going to see only 2 people, their child's grandparents. I don't understand all these brainwashed people who haven't seen their loved ones for nearly a year on the off chance they might spread/catch Covid. So if their 85 year old mum dies of a stroke in 2021 not having seen her loved ones for a long, lonely last year, was it really worth isolating her like that? Is it worth all the loneliness and depression? Is it worth not seeing your grandchildren grow, not cuddling your newborn niece, not bonding with your little nephew? I say no. Fuck that.

@MaxNormal

The shite people say to justify their complete and utter selfishness is crazy.

You see, this is what I'm talking about. What selfishness? What do you know about me and my life that allows you to make that assumption about me? Or is wrong-think selfish now?

Quick. Ring WHO. Get Chris Whitty on the phone.

Maxnormal doesn’t know anyone who’s been affected by Covid. It’s all ok. Let the partying start.

The big issue here is the train travel. If everyone had got in separate cars and driven to their destination it would be okay

Of course the mode of travel will impact in terms of likelihood of becoming infected during travel, but to say it would be ok if everyone had just driven is nonsense. How you get somewhere doesn't affect the likelihood of spread once you arrive at your destination if you are already infected. Many of those leaving will be infected and asymptomatic. They will be taking that with them wherever they are going, and spread it once there. Now that scientists are able to identify this new fast spreading variant, it will undoubtedly begin to appear in every place those people travelled to, regardless of their mode of transport.

Draconian hmm the hyperbol. If Boris had the balls to actually implement “draconian” lockdowns earlier, the shit show we’re all living in at the moment wouldn’t be so bad

You mean like Spain and Italy. They are doing do well.

The harsher the lockdown the higher the numbers

Yes, I'm sure after a year of absolute misery, I'm sure being called a "selfish cunt" will really make people want to pull together for the greater good.

I've never seen so much nasty, judgemental, sanctimonious behaviour in my life as during this pandemic. A bunch of entitled wankers demanding that they are put first and protected, whatever the cost, when they wouldn't piss on anyone else if they were on fire.

Well said, @MaxNormal 👏👏👏

@Pinkyxx

Think being stuck in a flat with a toddler is worse? I sincerely hope you don't have to watch your child being as unwell as mine currently is with Covid19 or you'll wish you'd followed the rules.

My previously very healthy child has been ill with Covid19 for weeks now. Normally shakes stuff off easily. She's unable to get out of bed, miserable to the point of distraction, no sign of any symptoms abating. Her Christmas is shot, god knows how long it will take her to recover or if she'll make it back to school. One child in her class (who had been out shopping in London....) gave it to 12 others, my child included. Several are really unwell. And these are HEALTHY children. She took all the precautions possible and got it at school - thanks to people who simply will not curtail their lives. I'm a single parent and will be spending Christmas alone with her. My family are doing the same. We've all followed the rules and have to suffer because others insist on 'living their lives'.

Respiratory viruses can only be contained by limiting contact. The advice on how to limit is out there but the British people in their wisdom disagree. There's a theme here.... deny reality, keep mixing, blame the government, rinse, repeat. Blame Boris all you like, those refusing to limit their contact with others are CHOOSING to do so contrary to repeated advice not to.

I despair at the selfishness of this country.

Hope your DD makes a full recovery soon, you’re so right, it’s people like you who pay the price for the actions of the covidiots. Sending you a virtual hug 🤗 x

OMG - just 1% of the population (assuming everyone gets it) is 680,000 people. Add in the number extra who will die (from Covid or other things) if the hospitals are rammed..that could be an awful lot more.

@WomenAndVulvas

Good for them. Based on your OP, they are going to see only 2 people, their child's grandparents. I don't understand all these brainwashed people who haven't seen their loved ones for nearly a year on the off chance they might spread/catch Covid. So if their 85 year old mum dies of a stroke in 2021 not having seen her loved ones for a long, lonely last year, was it really worth isolating her like that? Is it worth all the loneliness and depression? Is it worth not seeing your grandchildren grow, not cuddling your newborn niece, not bonding with your little nephew? I say no. Fuck that.

Absolutely agree.

When I read posts saying that people are not going to take the risk of giving their 92 yo granny Covid, so she's on her own this Christmas and everyone will see her for Christmas 2021 I just think a) what does Granny want, maybe she's willing to risk it? And b) what if she's not around next Christmas. The clock of life is wound but once, none of us know how long we've got.

If I was elderly, I wouldn't be wasting what might be the last year of my life irrespective of Covid.

@Christmassequins

Exactly. How many people backing it have actually had Covid? I have. And I'd rather catch it again than live in this authoritarian dictatorship.

Six of us have had it. I would never want it again, I've never been so ill, and 3 of us are still ill months on. We're all sticking to the rules, after all, no-one really knows how long immunity lasts. I don't see it as authoritarian, I see it as trying to contain something that's unprecedented in our lifetimes, and a way of preventing serious illness and death until the vaccine programme can impact on transmission

Agree. I have two friends who are still not back at work from the affects of having Covid. One has been off since last spring, and she has three young children; the other has been off since early this autumn, and she also has school aged children. no end in sight for them ...

Weird how now it affects more people they're all falling over themselves to hide from it.

Quite agree.

And we've known for years that the NHS is being underfunded and people aren't getting the right treatment for mental health issues, cancers etc but vast swathes of the country were willing to vote Tory at the last election despite this.

As a country we haven't really given a shit about the plight of others for a really long time.

my patience with it has run out and I'm not prepared to sacrifice my civil liberties and my children's childhoods any longer. Fuck it.

I'm starting to feel like this. I feel those focus is on restricting everyone when it should be on effectively isolating those at risk. For a huge proportion of the population this is a mild virus.

People are still going to go to family on other days over Christmas. If they are allowed on Christmas day what's the difference meeting them 24hrs later?

@Pinkyxx

Think being stuck in a flat with a toddler is worse? I sincerely hope you don't have to watch your child being as unwell as mine currently is with Covid19 or you'll wish you'd followed the rules.

My previously very healthy child has been ill with Covid19 for weeks now. Normally shakes stuff off easily. She's unable to get out of bed, miserable to the point of distraction, no sign of any symptoms abating. Her Christmas is shot, god knows how long it will take her to recover or if she'll make it back to school. One child in her class (who had been out shopping in London....) gave it to 12 others, my child included. Several are really unwell. And these are HEALTHY children. She took all the precautions possible and got it at school - thanks to people who simply will not curtail their lives. I'm a single parent and will be spending Christmas alone with her. My family are doing the same. We've all followed the rules and have to suffer because others insist on 'living their lives'.

Respiratory viruses can only be contained by limiting contact. The advice on how to limit is out there but the British people in their wisdom disagree. There's a theme here.... deny reality, keep mixing, blame the government, rinse, repeat. Blame Boris all you like, those refusing to limit their contact with others are CHOOSING to do so contrary to repeated advice not to.

I despair at the selfishness of this country.

I'm really sorry to hear about this. I feel for you after my own child's far from 'minor' experience of Covid and ongoing issues. Hope she gets better soon

Look at the pictures of crowds of people shopping, busy pubs not even playing lip service to the regulations.

Well, that's just not true is it? They are abiding by the Regulations, unless you are suggesting that all these busy shopping centres are illegally open?

@Nikhedonia

Weird how now it affects more people they're all falling over themselves to hide from it.

Quite agree.

And we've known for years that the NHS is being underfunded and people aren't getting the right treatment for mental health issues, cancers etc but vast swathes of the country were willing to vote Tory at the last election despite this.

As a country we haven't really given a shit about the plight of others for a really long time.

Exactly, 100%. I've spent the last decade campaigning against the tories, and the fucking irony of people saying I should "think of everyone else" right now when they all voted Tory is hilarious.

@Biker47

Good for them. If more people do it, the government will know this draconian shit isn't flying anymore, and have to come up with alternatives that actually work.

What alternative would that be then, build more morgues and order a job lot of body bags ?

@NoIDontWatchLoveIsland

my patience with it has run out and I'm not prepared to sacrifice my civil liberties and my children's childhoods any longer. Fuck it.

I'm starting to feel like this. I feel those focus is on restricting everyone when it should be on effectively isolating those at risk. For a huge proportion of the population this is a mild virus.

Yes. Shield the vulnerable, don't quarantine everyone.

@CrotchBurn

Yeah its draconian. You want to live in an invisible prison then more fool you. The rest of us will start living rather than existing

Up until the point you start dying from the virus of course....

Sorry to jump on but my app won't let me start a new thread!
I need to travel from a tier 2 area to a tier 4 area on Tuesday for a hospital appointment, assuming they don't cancel it, is this still allowed?
I know it says no exit or entry to tier 4.
I really hope so as it's to check if all is okay with my unborn baby.

@trappedsincesundaymorn

The train companies are as much at fault as those who decided to go IMO. had they refused to accept anyone without a pre-booked ticket then the trains would not have been full.

Yes, that's exactly what I thought. I can understand the underground being a little bit more challenging, but train operators should really have decided on a safe capacity months ago and restricted ticket sales to match that.