Some really selfish people!

[parlourpalm]

This was said by someone on the news:

"We just made the decision to leave based on the fact that my parents said come, and we couldn't bear the thought of no fresh air and a toddler going rogue round a small flat for the foreseeable," she said.

There are loads of us facing this exact situation and are just bloody well dealing with it.

I can totally see why many people are making their own risk assessments now. The blame game that is being pushed more and more is just awful.
I am more and more concerned now how many more people will now be killed from lack of treatment for other illnesses and suicide as a result of the measures being taken in England.
So many people are feeling like they cannot go on anymore after having their livelihoods taken away, isolation, mental health etc

The government need to take more notice of these issues instead of ignoring them and simply getting the public to lay blame on whoever.

@Nottherealslimshady

The whole "ruining childhoods" thing is laughable. There are children fleeing war, whose parents have been killed, living in squalid conditions, being abused, being refused sanctuary in our country, dying in terrifying attempts to get to safe countries, being imprisoned away from their parents and abused.

Your kids childhood hasn't been ruined because they have to spend a Christmas at home with mum and dad, cant go to soft play, and cant hug their grandparents for a few months.

Seriously, get a grip, if you care about childrens childhoods then start doing something to protect and help those children whose childhoods are being ruined, not by a virus but by other human beings who are choosing to hurt those children. Do we really all live in such a pretty little bubble that we cant see how much better we STILL have it compared to an awful lot of people around the world?!

My son has ASD and has been really disrupted by it all. My twins had to be pretty isolated for a year previously due to prematurity - as a result they're two and have seen almost no other children. Our lives used to be taking the kids to museums, national trusts, educational workshops. Instead they're now stuck home with me being incredibly stressed out by it all. I just want a normal childhood for my kids.

I don't think I ever said it was worse than a war torn country though, wind your neck in.

@NorbertMeubles

Don't blame the people, blame the government for having absolutely no leadership.

Blame the people for being too fucking stupid, selfish, irresponsible, lacking in resilience, whinging twats.

And as for the ‘99%’ survival rate, it’s something they’re read on Facebook.

If anyone wants to know what a death from covid looks and sounds like, pm me.
If anyone wants to know what long covid looks like, and what impact it is having and will continue to have on our health and social care system, do your research.

@Brieminewine

Good for them. If they left before midnight and both sides were happy then what’s the problem?

We all have to make individual risk assessments and do what feels right. For me, as front line nhs that means deciding to stay home and not visit family despite being ‘allowed’ as I don’t want to risk infecting them but I don’t begrudge others, this year has been shit for us all.

As front line nhs you shoukd be more flippin responsible about the message that you give out.

I would have done the same thing, they have not broken any 'laws'. Also who believes everything they see in photos in the newspaper?

This virus will spread. Unless we go full military lockdown/borders closed then it is inevitable I'm afraid. (Saying this as a tier 4 with cancelled Christmas plans)

Exactly. How many people backing it have actually had Covid? I have. And I'd rather catch it again than live in this authoritarian dictatorship.

Six of us have had it. I would never want it again, I've never been so ill, and 3 of us are still ill months on. We're all sticking to the rules, after all, no-one really knows how long immunity lasts. I don't see it as authoritarian, I see it as trying to contain something that's unprecedented in our lifetimes, and a way of preventing serious illness and death until the vaccine programme can impact on transmission

@ForestNymph

Good. I'm sick of this now, my patience with it has run out and I'm not prepared to sacrifice my civil liberties and my children's childhoods any longer. Fuck it.

Such a selfish attitude.

I too am fed up with the restrictions BUT I am abiding by them. Me and DH decided months ago to only have Christmas on our own as it is the sensible and safe thing to do. Boris was bloody stupid ever saying it would be ok.

I am more fed up with the fucking idiots like you who won't abide by the rules. It will never end with people like you thinking you are so special.

I am in my 60's and have never before had Christmas without my parents and siblings. I am sad about it but no way do I want the virus nor do I want my elderly parents or any of my siblings, their partners or my nieces and nephews and their partners to get it.

@DecemberSun

The world is full of selfish cunts who know they will probably survive the virus if they get it and don't give a fuck if they kill someone else along the way.

Welcome to Britain 2020

Also agree with this. It’s so very sad that this is how people act. Especially when wars went on for many years with little idea of when it would ever end. At least we have vaccines now which is hopefully the beginning of the end. People got theough with sheer grit and determination which is shown in history. I dread to think how this pandemic will be portrayed in years to come...

www.google.com/amp/s/www.imperial.ac.uk/news/207273/covid-19-deaths-infection-fatality-ratio-about/amp/

Not from Facebook, but keep making up drivel to make yourself seem superior.

As for "lack of resilience", we aren't the ones acting like a virus with a 1% mortality rate is the apocalypse.

There was just an interview with a terminally ill woman on the telly. She has cancer, she won't see next Christmas. The advice to postpone Christmas to the summer won't be any good for her either as she is likely not to be here. The government are now telling her that it's illegal for her to see her sister.

DH and I both looked at the telly and said "fuck that". Of course she should see her sister. It's fucking inhumane.

COVID IS NOT THE ONLY ILLNESS AND HEALTH CONDITION THAT PEOPLE ARE DEALING WITH.

Quality of life is important too.

They should have stopped the trains and made tier 4 with immediate effect. Now all the people who have left could be spreading the new strain all over the country.

I’ve been dismayed by the selfishness shown recently but it seems to be getting worse.. So many already not wearing masks, don’t appear to know what 2m is, mixing socially outside the rules and now despite the new strain deciding to travel from tier 4 areas and so many posts saying they won’t comply with the law and will see who they want over Christmas. Workplaces and schools will then all back and those that have followed the law will be at risk from those who didn’t.

It kills less than 1%. Yes, I am happy with that figure

Forget about long COVID etc for a moment and go with your prioritisation of the simple mortality figures.

Say the 1% figure is stable. 1% of millions of people (if you let the illness run rampant through the population) is a hell of a lot of people.

Assuming your

I'm done being selfless. I did it at the beginning and it was shit and now its been nearly a year and its still shit. Sorry, not prepared to do it any longer. My responsibility is my own family, and I will put them first every time.

Some unbelievable responses here.

Yes we’re all sick of it, obviously.
I’d love to know what the ‘alternative’ way of dealing with it is.
New Zealand have handled the crisis well....but I suspect you would think they are draconian.

People thinking that they’re ‘special’ and the rules don’t apply to them is why thousands of people have died from Covid and thousands more have long term health problems.

@Christmassequins

Exactly. How many people backing it have actually had Covid? I have. And I'd rather catch it again than live in this authoritarian dictatorship.

Six of us have had it. I would never want it again, I've never been so ill, and 3 of us are still ill months on. We're all sticking to the rules, after all, no-one really knows how long immunity lasts. I don't see it as authoritarian, I see it as trying to contain something that's unprecedented in our lifetimes, and a way of preventing serious illness and death until the vaccine programme can impact on transmission

Likewise, my son had it because some selfish prick sent their child into school after a positive test.

My son did not brush it off as the media would have it and is still dealing with the after affects weeks later.

@Randominternetbitch

Here go with blaming people again for just trying live. How dare people try and be with thie loved ones during such horrendous times? How dare they try to do their best given ridiculously short notice. Enough is enough with the judgements and name calling. Get over yourself and get a life!

Completely disagree. People need to get a fucking grip. Stop boohooing because they can't do what they want.

They need to take a deep breath and get on with following the rules of common sense to stop the spread of a VIRUS.
Whining and foot stamping is never going to cure this situation.

The only solution is to avoid other people. Wait for you vaccination and better weather. It's not forever .. it's till about April.

I honestly despair. It's like living in a nation of toddlers having a tantrum because you won't let them play in the street.

If anyone is actually interested in mortality rates, it's page three of this document.
For most people the fatality rate is well, well under 1% until you're in the much older age groups.
As a 45 year old woman, my percentage risk of dying from it is 0.002%, for instance.

gh.bmj.com/content/bmjgh/5/9/e003094.full.pdf

The 1% fatality rate that people keep talking about is firstly overstated and secondly not the odds that most people have, these are heavily age-dependent.

@Anyoldname12

Draconian the hyperbol. If Boris had the balls to actually implement “draconian” lockdowns earlier, the shit show we’re all living in at the moment wouldn’t be so bad.

Totally agree.

My DD fled London last night, arrived home around midnight. We have been a bubble since the start of the pandemic.

Her train was near empty by the way.......obviously it suits the media to show photos/video of the really busy trains to create a dramatic image that they were all like that.

All Johnson cares about is popularity. We couldn't have had a worse fit for what is required right now. Utter shit show. Until schools are closed again this will just go on and on.

[quote TornadoOfSouls]It kills less than 1%. Yes, I am happy with that figure

Forget about long COVID etc for a moment and go with your prioritisation of the simple mortality figures.

Say the 1% figure is stable. 1% of millions of people (if you let the illness run rampant through the population) is a hell of a lot of people.

Assuming your

@RaspberryCoulis
My understanding is that for people who won’t live / unlikely to live until next Christmas, they come in to the ‘exceptions’ and therefore can meet up with family.

‘I am more and more concerned now how many more people will now be killed from lack of treatment for other illnesses and suicide as a result of the measures being taken in England.’

I’ve said it a dozen times on threads like these and I still don’t understand why people just don’t get it.

Yes many more people are dying with non covid related illnesses.
Covid is horrific. ARDS and multi system failure. Blood clotting issues and assiciated co morbidities.

If there are 10 people in an A&E department gasping for every breath with Sa O2 at 60%, distressed and agitated, those patients will take priority.
So the teenager sitting quietly in the corner in severe distress from a mental health issue waits for 6 hours then leaves.

The complex cancer surgery for an endometrial cancer has yo be cancelled because there are no post op ICU beds because they’re all filled with covid.

The young guy in the RTA who has severe head injuries but has to be transferred to an ICU bed 50 miles away and dies in the ambulance.

WHY do people simply not get this?
A fortnight from now when transmission rates from this new variant have soared, they’ll still be bleating the same lines.

@ForestNymph

It kills less than 1% of those who catch it. I'd rather take my chances and have my freedom than this half existence we currently have.

Let's hope nobody you are close to is in that 1% eh. I cannot believe the selfishness i've been reading lately.

Good for them. If more people do it, the government will know this draconian shit isn't flying anymore, and have to come up with alternatives that actually work.

FFS. What actually works is a lockdown and people showing a bit of personal and social responsibility by not mixing with people

Yes, let's hope. But unfortunately, death is a fact of life, and sometimes, people die from viruses. We all die of something. I'd rather at least live than spend my life running from death

@MaxNormal

If anyone is actually interested in mortality rates, it's page three of this document. For most people the fatality rate is well, well under 1% until you're in the much older age groups. As a 45 year old woman, my percentage risk of dying from it is 0.002%, for instance.

gh.bmj.com/content/bmjgh/5/9/e003094.full.pdf

The 1% fatality rate that people keep talking about is firstly overstated and secondly not the odds that most people have, these are heavily age-dependent.

But it's not just about fatality. I've seen this virus knock a healthy cross-country running teen about. There are several threads from posters who are dealing with the long term damage of the virus, including women in their 40s.