Some really selfish people!

[parlourpalm]

This was said by someone on the news:

"We just made the decision to leave based on the fact that my parents said come, and we couldn't bear the thought of no fresh air and a toddler going rogue round a small flat for the foreseeable," she said.

There are loads of us facing this exact situation and are just bloody well dealing with it.

The people at the train station...
First of all you can't just rock up at the station with no ticket and no plan and expect to get on a train. Also rather hard to find accommodation in a few hours in nothing was planned in advance.

Then you have the people working in London,that don't actually live here. Should they just get stuck in London, because that's where they happen to work?

Then there's all the people that came over for shopping or whatever reasons. Yesterday it was supposed to be the busiest day of the year. No idea if it actually was. Regardless of the rights or wrongs of going shopping to London at this time, were they just supposed to stay there because that's where they were at the time of the announcement?

@MaxNormal

If anyone is actually interested in mortality rates, it's page three of this document. For most people the fatality rate is well, well under 1% until you're in the much older age groups. As a 45 year old woman, my percentage risk of dying from it is 0.002%, for instance.

gh.bmj.com/content/bmjgh/5/9/e003094.full.pdf

The 1% fatality rate that people keep talking about is firstly overstated and secondly not the odds that most people have, these are heavily age-dependent.

That's all right then, just let the old folk die ffs.

@Biker47

Good for them. If more people do it, the government will know this draconian shit isn't flying anymore, and have to come up with alternatives that actually work.

Perhaps you have a suggestion for an alternative solution that will work then.

We're all ears.

99% survival rate only if those who need oxygen get it.
Not necessarily intubation or ICU, but oxygen. So now think of a disease that say 3% of 40-somethings would die of. (I’m thinking overall rate would be 5% but more 40-something’s would survive). How many kids in your child’s year group are orphaned? What about the ones who need oxygen, don’t get it, but survive? They’d have some damage, I’d assume it’d affect the brain as well a other organs. That’d be a bummer in your 30’s.

That’s without thinking of the collateral damage. My DD needed 5 separate multi-night stays in hospital to be given oxygen over about 18 months. She’s now grown out of her asthma, and there were absolutely no signs beforehand. I imagine she’d be dead or brain-damaged without the oxygen. If the hospitals can’t supply enough oxygen then it’ll not just be Coronavirus where the death rate increases.

Lockdown was never meant to “get rid” of the virus. It was meant to keep numbers low enough for the nhs to continue treat people who would otherwise die. Arguably that’s not worked 100% effectively (some delays to cancer care), but it has worked to a large extent. If there had been more “slack” in the system then we’d not have had to lockdown as long or as often.

@doctorhamster

Yanbu op. The pictures I've seen of people packed together at london train stations have really made me cross this morning. Utter twats the lot of them.

There is a simple answer to the problem if you getting angry, stop looking at the pictures, problem solved.

@Biker47

Good for them. If more people do it, the government will know this draconian shit isn't flying anymore, and have to come up with alternatives that actually work.

What would you suggest?

There are several threads from posters who are dealing with the long term damage of the virus, including women in their 40s.

Yes, that certainly seems to be very prevelant on here. It doesn't match my real life experience, no-one I know who has had it has suffered any long-term adverse effects, and that includes a couple of very large people in their sixties and seventies.

So now think of a disease that say 3% of 40-somethings would die of.

Okay, but that disease isn't covid. Mortality rate for 40-something females with no underlying health conditions is 0.002%. Very slightly higher for males.
If covid genuinely did have that death rate one could understand the worry, but it doesn't.

@MaxNormal

There are several threads from posters who are dealing with the long term damage of the virus, including women in their 40s.

Yes, that certainly seems to be very prevelant on here. It doesn't match my real life experience, no-one I know who has had it has suffered any long-term adverse effects, and that includes a couple of very large people in their sixties and seventies.

I've potentially developed CFS from it, they're calling it post viral fatigue atm but saying if it goes on it'll be CFS. But thats a risk with ANY virus

Why are you so jealous of her, OP?

@ForestNymph

I'm done being selfless. I did it at the beginning and it was shit and now its been nearly a year and its still shit. Sorry, not prepared to do it any longer. My responsibility is my own family, and I will put them first every time.

Well that's ok as long as you putting your family first doesn't impact on the health or lives of anyone else. Presumably you've made sure of that? Or dont you care about maybe infecting other people? Because that's often the reality.

Yup, lots of selfish people around and you can even see them early on in this thread.

The world is full of selfish cunts who know they will probably survive the virus if they get it and don't give a fuck if they kill someone else along the way.

This ^

Selfish, ignorant people everywhere!

YANBU OP.
We have cancelled plans to be with SIL and BIL on Xmas day. They only live a 10 min walk away but it just didn't feel right, and of course it is now against the rules.

And fwiw we live in a tiny 2 bed flat in London with no garden and 2 kids under 3yo. Their childhoods haven't been ruined by this, anyone saying so is spouting bullshit. They've been home with thier parents who love them, with a warm bed and hot food for dinner. By global standards they're doing pretty bloody well.

The big issue here is the train travel. If everyone had got in separate cars and driven to their destination it would be okay.

As it stands, one or two infected asymptomatic people in a carriage could potentially infect the whole carriage, so carrying the virus to 50+ households.

Ironically the safest place to be right now seems to be Tier 4. I wouldn't want to be going to a supermarket in another tier when social distancing and masks have all but gone out the window and the potential that other shoppers have guests already from other tiers.

I absolutely believe some of those people were ‘fleeing’ london

A very good proportion of them would have been christmas shoppers and a further good proportion of them would have been workers going home

@MaxNormal

There are several threads from posters who are dealing with the long term damage of the virus, including women in their 40s.

Yes, that certainly seems to be very prevelant on here. It doesn't match my real life experience, no-one I know who has had it has suffered any long-term adverse effects, and that includes a couple of very large people in their sixties and seventies.

It seems to be really hard to get any good data on long Covid, especially because it seems to be ill-defined. The ONS released something last week saying that one in ten get it, which sounds terrifying, but then it turned out that their definition included 'still having a cough five weeks later' (and that that was half the people they'd identified as having it, with most of the rest people who were still fatigued five weeks later), in which case I've had loads of 'long colds'. Social media is full of people talking about having it but obviously and understandably those who do are more vocal than those who had Covid and then were just fine soon afterwards. The one person I know in real life who 'has long covid' a) doesn't actually know if they had Covid at all, they self-diagnosed in March and b) has a long history of mental illness including health anxiety and has attributed literally every ache and twinge she's had since March to her long covid. I'm not saying that this is at all the case for all or the majority of sufferers, but I have seen her tweets gets hundreds of retweets by people saying they 'prove' the horror of long covid.

Yes, I'm sure after a year of absolute misery, I'm sure being called a "selfish cunt" will really make people want to pull together for the greater good.

I've never seen so much nasty, judgemental, sanctimonious behaviour in my life as during this pandemic. A bunch of entitled wankers demanding that they are put first and protected, whatever the cost, when they wouldn't piss on anyone else if they were on fire.

I appreciate that parlour is talking about some people

But lots of posters arent...

‘Yes, that certainly seems to be very prevelant on here. It doesn't match my real life experience, no-one I know who has had it has suffered any long-term adverse effects, and that includes a couple of very large people in their sixties and seventies.’

How do the number of registered users on MN compare to the number of people you know who share details of their medical history with you?
About the same?
The shite people say to justify their complete and utter selfishness is crazy.

They should have stopped the trains and made tier 4 with immediate effect.

And what do they do with all the day trippers?

Not sure the people who had a toddler cramped in a tiny flat were the prime examples of awful selfishness!

Hardbackwriter I was also a bit taken aback by the 5 week criteria.
I more than likely had it in March (was on a ferry full of ski trippers returning from their half-term ski breaks). It was mild for me but odd in that the cough persisted for a really long time given the overall lack of severity of the illness. It took about a month to finally stop.
So in people more unwell than me I can imagine the cough being quite persistent.

Unfortunately as you say it will be something for people with health anxiety to latch onto.

@MaxNormal

Yes, I'm sure after a year of absolute misery, I'm sure being called a "selfish cunt" will really make people want to pull together for the greater good.

I've never seen so much nasty, judgemental, sanctimonious behaviour in my life as during this pandemic. A bunch of entitled wankers demanding that they are put first and protected, whatever the cost, when they wouldn't piss on anyone else if they were on fire.

100%.

When my daughter was at risk of illnesses and I asked my sons pre school to warn me if anyone had a cold so that I could keep him home, I got told colds are a fact of life and they can't do that because they'd be telling me every week.

Weird how now it affects more people they're all falling over themselves to hide from it.

Do people not realise that other countries are going through what we are. It is a pandemic not just a UK problem. It is not a Tory problem. Look at the pictures of crowds of people shopping, busy pubs not even playing lip service to the regulations. It is a problem with so many people believing they are special and can do what they want