To think more MC women should try dating WC men

[CrotchBurn]

Just realised the two happiest relationships I've had have been with working class guys. This shows my prejudice but: both were actually way less misogynistic than the MC men I went out with.

I've been with my partner who is WC for five years now. Sometimes its uncomfortable as we clash on things that we hadnt realised were pretty basic for both of us but by and large I find him much more interesting, insightful and crucially less bigoted than some of the sanctimonious pricks I've dated before, who would have a lot of "theory" but actually in practice lived in quite tight bubbles that made them prejudiced without realising it.

I feel freer with my current partner, and although he can do some "alright alright" style stuff like slapping my ass 😂 I think he is much more of an actual feminist in his actions than some of the self proclaimed "feminist" men I know who are also selfish, manipulative, and gaslighting.

Also he is very house proud (I see that as quite a working class thing) and does all the cleaning - and he takes it seriously. Meanwhile I am the higher earner and do all the cooking as I was brought up to experiment with food whereas he wasnt.

Plus - its sexy going out with a man who can build and fix stuff and repair cars and does boxing. He is a non violent person but I know if there was an apocalypse or we were attacked in the street he would sort it out.

Oh and another thing which I consider to be quite a WC thing: he always knows someone who knows someone who can get us what we need/do what we need doing as a favour.

Basically: I know it's kind of "taboo" to tall about it but AIBU to think that maybe a lot of middle class women would be happier with working class men?

"Plus - its sexy going out with a man who can build and fix stuff and repair cars and does boxing"

Well it takes all sorts-boxing repulses me.

I had to click on the thread to see what mc and wc meant.

So many cliches in that post op and I say that as a woman with a wc background married to a mc man. My whole family on my mother's side are wc and I lived on council estates till I left to get married and I don't know any man who boxed. Also my husband can fix almost anything and can do electrics and plumbing.

There are as many decent mc as there are wc men, same for women.

Plus - its sexy going out with a man who can build and fix stuff and repair cars and does boxing.

Why do you assume WC men are automatically good at that kind of thing? Just like MC men, plenty of them have no talent in those directions at all.

Your post is nothing but a string of inane stereotypes.

@Cam77

I do agree that it’s sexy when they can fix anything and just generally figure things out.

Yep I long for the Paleolithic too.

😂 Fair enough

This has to be a parody. Boxing........

Us proles just grunt and point like Stig of the Dump. And smack peoples’ arses for emphasis

Last man who slapped my arse was one of a group of pissed up posh twats, just saying.

anyone can figure out how to fix anything, its called youtube.

So many stereotypes. My DH is WC by most measures (child of WC immigrants, dad a builder, mum a carer, grew up in council houses, left school at 16). He is the opposite of your DH in his attitude to housework, he sees it as 100% women's work and is completely blind to anything that needs doing. His mum and sisters waited on him hand and foot and in his perfect world I would too (dream on). If he was on his own he would be perfectly content as long as there was a clear sight line between him and the tv and takeaways could be delivered. It wouldn't occur to him to vacuum or cook. He's also completely useless at anything practical. I do all the minor DIY around the house and organise the bigger jobs. He had to get the manual out recently to find out how to open the bonnet of his car.

OP your user name is a bit crude. You must have caught the WC. I think it is contagious and careful you don't start fixing cars and slapping arses.

Wow - what a load of patronising, stereotyping bollocks. My middle class dh is great at diy (which is practical and useful, but not sexy ), doesn't slap me on the arse, is not a sexist bigot, is sporty (but not boxing, thank goodness). He went to university (which didn't infantilise him ) and his background and interests mean he's got more in common with me and that we very rarely clash about things.

The level of class consciousness and stereotyping in the UK never ceases to amaze me.

I slap my husbands arse when he's working in the kitchen. We are both wfh and dh has said he intends to report me to his HR department for sexual harassment in the workplace.

I didn't realise the arse slapping made me working class

I think the OP is getting a lot of stick but I think there is a point here. The Spectator's Melissa Kite writes a lot about her builder boyfriend and she's clearly a toff.

I am newly single, and after my sneery, pompous, hipster ex, I can see the appeal of a manly man who comes back from work dirty and sweaty, and has the skills to build me a lovely new kitchen

But... On the other hand I enjoy the trappings of a professional life and over the years would probably start to resent someone I earned more than (being honest) and would worry we wouldn't have enough in common. I talk a lot to my dad about philosophy, political theory, literature and just ideas in general. I want someone I can intellectually spar with as well.

I haven't dated anyone though since my ex so what do I know, but I enjoyed reading the OP's reflections.

Lady Chatterley is that you? So nice to hear that you and Mellors are still happy.

[quote CrotchBurn]@SillyMoomin

I'm sorry if you're in complete denial that class differences exist but they do. And yes, a WC man is more likely to box AND fix cars. I'll admit I'm not sure about the house cleaning thing though.

Where I'm from all the men take their cars to the garage except for the smallest tasks.[/quote]
My DH grew up dirt poor yet cannot do half the things you describe.

Humans don’t follow a manual. It does a disservice to men to stigmatise them. How does a man’s prevalence for boxing have anything to do with their social standing?

Again, DH played rugby for a decade despite coming from a underachieving state school. He can’t abide boxing. He’s a messy fucker and if something breaks his first reaction is to buy a new one. He’s had a lifetime of make do and mend, he doesn’t want that for his kids.

Additionally, he grew up surrounded by violence. I have never in fifteen years so much as see him raise a hand, he’s a pacifist entirely.

He also doesn’t randomly slap my arse. I find that demeaning.

Your entire post is infantilising and stereotyping men based on their attraction. If this was the other way round then there would be outcry.

‘Get a poor girl as your wife. She knows how to clean properly and raises kids well’ wtf.

We need to stop compartmentalising partners based on their social standing. The British obsession with class repulses me. It’s toxic - as this thread shows.

@berrygirlie

I just don’t think I would be compatible with someone who had left school at 18. It indicates mindset for me.

Your last sentence is rather snobby, @NaughtipussMaximus. I'm sure there are many people who would love to go to university but are unable to for extenuating circumstances.

I’ve debated internally about that to be honest. I went to university in the late nineties, when there were still full grants available for poorer students, people didn’t pay fees and the student loans were very small with less onerous repayment terms that later loans have. My parents weren’t well off at all (I’m definitely WC) and I paid my own way through university without any financial help at all. But I did have parental support, in that university was seen as the inevitable next step after I finished A levels. I appreciate some people wouldn’t have that particular advantage, so you’re right, it’s not fair to assume anyone who had to leave education at 18 wouldn’t have gone to uni if given the chance. If that were the case, I would hope they then tried to study if given opportunity later in life but I appreciate that also might not be possible. So yes, there will be some people who are bright and would have liked to go to university and didn’t get the chance.

But in my experience, the men I met who hadn’t been to university didn’t value education and thought I’d wasted my twenties doing advanced degrees instead of getting a job - that’s the mindset I wanted to avoid in a partner.

The thing is , WC men may all be happy to be settled young and with a family ATM .However many people who marry young ,can reach a sort of impasse at around 40 and feel they have "missed out" on earlier experiences .Hence Divorces around this age can feature heavily .WC men are not all under one umbrella of "Salt Of The Earth " types never happier than doing DIY or taking their sons fishing! Some are nice but some can be quite misogynistic and racist as well .Obv not all. I also feel that many Uni educated women may feel lack of Educational interests may not bode well.

@Namechanger0800
"...........He can't fix sh*t..........."

I have one of those.

What do you define as middle class and working class.

We all secretly love a bit of rough.

@CrotchBurn - basically, you are saying you value practical skills and haven’t met a middle class man who has any; the skills you lack, because your snobby upbringing meant you were not encouraged to develop them, are skills your partner has; and the skills you have are skills he lacks because they were not made available to him, so you don’t need to compete for dominance in the same areas. You interpret this as a lack of misogyny, because you live in a weird world of stereotypes and labels.

Aw the princess and the pauper - love it

We all secretly love a bit of rough.

I think you might be right.

Plus - its sexy going out with a man who can build and fix stuff and repair cars and does boxing. He is a non violent person but I know if there was an apocalypse or we were attacked in the street he would sort it out.

My middle-class, Oxbridge educates husband changed the brakes on my car last weekend, and does the full service on his own car.

People are people, some are dicks some are not.

Honestly, congrats on finding a suitable bloke but I’m not sure analyzing your Sample of Three through the lens of social class, income, age, race makes any sense at all.

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