We’re going to lose everything..

[Worriednow77]

Are we going to end up with nothing, as a country? No businesses will be left and where will the money come from to fund us all?
Wuhan and other countries look practically back to normal, with no vaccine. Why are we having the vaccine but also being told social distancing etc won’t end? What’s the point?! What’s the plan...I feel like we’re all just drifting into something

I predict the return of mass council housing. I predict a boom in the manufacturing sector, that will be provide 1000s of skilled jobs, in areas such as defence, wind energy, HS2 (don't vote Labour though, or the union's will destroy all that). China will crumble, communism always does. The EU will implode also eventually without the UK.

Is this a parody post?

@Fifo50

The UK will get better. The UK is the best country in the world. The UK is better off out of the EU. The EU just take take take. That's why I voted leave. Do not worry about covid. You turn on your tap, you get clean water. You can breath in the free air. You have electricity. The NHS is free for now. People need to relax. Things will change and improve. I predict the return of mass council housing. I predict a boom in the manufacturing sector, that will be provide 1000s of skilled jobs, in areas such as defence, wind energy, HS2 (don't vote Labour though, or the union's will destroy all that). China will crumble, communism always does. The EU will implode also eventually without the UK. Covid will pass, all pandemics do. You need to move on from Brexit, the people have voted. The Scots need to move from independence also, the people have voted. There are too any sore losers about.

Christ. You're not exactly setting the bar very high with water coming out of taps and electricity and air, are you? Where did you live before? North Korea? Certainly sounds like you're reading from some communist style manifesto with fake predictions!

I mean, its not a bad country, but I wouldn't say its the best in the world. I've lived in Switzerland...

I can’t understand this hysteria over a virus that kills so few.
The Nightingale hospitals are still empty, suicides are escalating, people are losing their livelihoods and homes.

Most of Europe and the west have had fairly similar results, and differences seem to have as much to do with things like age of the population and housing, as they do to the government measures.

While some people might be prepared for the kinds of measures China or even places like Vietnam used, I really wish people would stop talking like the state impinging on basic democratic rights was not a serious thing, or that the state tracking people through credit cards and the like isn't a serious thing.

I really wish people would stop talking like the state impinging on basic democratic rights was not a serious thing, or that the state tracking people through credit cards and the like isn't a serious thing.

Exactly. Perhaps some people actually would prefer living under such conditions, but i can only take them seriously if they genuinely understand what it means and have thought through the consequences.

Bleating ‘id rather carry a dongle than be in level 3’ is so brainless I can’t even.

I was being tougne in cheek, yes a parody.

The reality is the UK is going to face a dire next 20 years. Mass unemployment. An unskilled society who have nothing, other than zero hour contracts at best. An underfunded NHS. High street retail will vanish.

People think Boris is thier mate, he is just the same old Tory feathering his own nest. I have developed a deep seated hatred for the media, especially the BBC, during the pandemic.

What the UK really needs is a revolution. Parliament needs to go. The government hq should be in the north.

@Fifo50

I was being tougne in cheek, yes a parody.

The reality is the UK is going to face a dire next 20 years. Mass unemployment. An unskilled society who have nothing, other than zero hour contracts at best. An underfunded NHS. High street retail will vanish.

People think Boris is thier mate, he is just the same old Tory feathering his own nest. I have developed a deep seated hatred for the media, especially the BBC, during the pandemic.

What the UK really needs is a revolution. Parliament needs to go. The government hq should be in the north.

Aha...! Very good.

A revolution, or at least a constitution. I'm worried about losing a lot of our human rights due to Brexit, apparently a "review" of the Human Rights Act is in the offing already.

99.9999999% of people in China weren’t welded into their apartments. Presumably the handful that were were those who had tested positive but were refusing to isolate and therefore putting others lives at risk.
I’m sure they’re fine now.

I do know that 99% of Chinese people are very glad they’re in China right now rather than the US or the U.K. I also know that had China fared as “well” as the US or UK and vice versa (IE China 1 million plus deaths and US just 1000 dead) we’d all be accusing the Chinese government of a callous disregard for human life. Particularly for the elderly and the vulnerable.

That’s before we even start talking about people’s livelihoods.

China might be happy but they didn’t stop it flying out

Things will return back to normal. People will be desperate to support the hospitality industry once they can. Same with travel, theatre and arts etc. Yes, people have lost jobs but new businesses will open to fill the gap of the ones that have closed and this will create new jobs. While I think that we are in for a bit of a rough ride, I have no doubt that we will rise up to the challenge.

@AwaAnBileYerHeid

Things will return back to normal. People will be desperate to support the hospitality industry once they can. Same with travel, theatre and arts etc. Yes, people have lost jobs but new businesses will open to fill the gap of the ones that have closed and this will create new jobs. While I think that we are in for a bit of a rough ride, I have no doubt that we will rise up to the challenge.

What are all these 'new businesses' which so many people here seem to think will magically appear and compensate for the loss of vast numbers of jobs in retail, hospitality, tourism, leisure, transport, the arts etc?

Could you be specific?

@MarshaBradyo
By the time scientists knew exactly what they were dealing (mid January) it was already a couple of months too late - it had been flying out of China for probably a couple of months at that point already. Of course China didn’t do everything right at the beginning and they should have been more open about the (albeit) incomplete information they had as soon as they had it. But the idea that ANY country could have contained it entirely within its own borders without a single case “escaping” is ludicrous.

Look at how utterly useless the U.K. was at stopping the spread within its own borders with the benefit of two months hindsight on China.

Cam a pp mentioned internal flights stopping before international ones. Is that right?

I cba scrolling to find it

Where is ‘No one is buying clothes’ coming from?

Even if not I’m not ready to bestow congratulations on China nor see that they are so pleased with their situation. When it came from there and caused wit or wide devastation. No ready for that

I have to say there is a huge amount of catastophising on this thread (yep I said it. Doom monger of Brexshit).

The next few years are going to be bad. Some people will lose everything. But the country as a whole won't be as bad as that.

If only because a bunch of disaster capitalists will come in to meet demand where it exists.

@MarshaBradyo
Yeah, that claims isn’t true. China stopped International flights from Wuhan at the same time it stopped domestic ones.
www.factcheck.org/2020/05/trumps-flawed-china-travel-conspiracy/

China never stopped all domestic or international flights. In an ideal perhaps it should have done but that would have been against WHO advice. No country would have stopped all domestic/international flights for a virus that it was itself able to pretty successfully contain in a matter of weeks.

[quote Cam77]@MarshaBradyo
Yeah, that claims isn’t true. China stopped International flights from Wuhan at the same time it stopped domestic ones.
www.factcheck.org/2020/05/trumps-flawed-china-travel-conspiracy/

China never stopped all domestic or international flights. In an ideal perhaps it should have done but that would have been against WHO advice. No country would have stopped all domestic/international flights for a virus that it was itself able to pretty successfully contain in a matter of weeks.[/quote]
Ok thanks. I’m not following your last line? It is the most unsuccessfully contained virus. And absolutely so due to its attributes.

I’ve read your line out loud to see if I’m missing what you mean, which I am undoubtedly am.

“It's hard to know how well any areas of China are doing because it's a fact that they suppressed many of their figures.“

No credible evidence for that at all. And I stress the word credible.

@Justcallmebebes

"And how is Wuhan back to normal with no vaccine"?

Because when they had lockdown they had a proper, no messing about lockdown. We had lockdown unless you wanted to go shopping, or for a walk or fancied a trip to Spain. That's the difference

but also in Wuhan, there were some serious horror stories, eg the child who died left alone in the apartment when he parent was taken in to hospital, as the army wouldn't let anyone in/out of their buildings. I am glad I was not there.

The places that have taken a middle path between UK and Wuhan also seeing huge second waves.

And during any long lockdowns there are many other casulaties.
It really isn't that simple or that clear cut.

@MarshaBradyo
Sorry, i didn’t write it very clearly. I mean, short-medium term China was able to tackle it easily enough, despite it had already getting out of control. 99.999% chance it had already spread to other countries by the beginning of January. So stopping all international flights would have been closing the stable door (at a cost of billions/trillions to their own economy) after the horse had already bolted. Countries like the U.K. were so slow and ineffective in getting their act together, it wouldn’t have mattered if there were two “patient zeros” from China or two hundred. No matter it would have spread like wildfire.

Ok I get you.

I think with a virus so infectious and with so little indication it is present in some cases it was an impossibility in many respects. Especially for global hubs.

(Sometimes I think about the worse variables of a virus and but that is probably too much to admit to. Not that I want that! But we are quite lucky in some respects - children seem ok).

@steppemum
“ I am glad I was not there”
No shit Sherlock. It must have been terrifying as it was the only city on Earth it was happening too. But now Wuhan has zero deaths from it each day while places like London, New York etc have hundreds. Human rights like right to protest, free speech, right to assemble (shop? travel?) are extremely important - but they are no good to you if you’re dead or your city descends into violent chaos as nobody has jobs/money for food. Hundreds of millions in China still have a very low frugal lifestyle compared to us in the West. They literally couldn’t afford for it to drag on for 18 months like its doing many places. What happened in China was almost certainly the best solution for China.

people's mental health is being pushed to limits not known before

Really? By being asked to stay in? That's worse than a war and the blitz etc? Really?

@MarshaBradyo

China might be happy but they didn’t stop it flying out

This!