We’re going to lose everything..

[Worriednow77]

Are we going to end up with nothing, as a country? No businesses will be left and where will the money come from to fund us all?
Wuhan and other countries look practically back to normal, with no vaccine. Why are we having the vaccine but also being told social distancing etc won’t end? What’s the point?! What’s the plan...I feel like we’re all just drifting into something

And when one of my friends asked me why I didn’t break my hotel quarantine, the manager told me that he had to report any of my movements to immigration. Meanwhile, other people were coming back into the UK and quarantining at home, and I think some people just went out until I stay please… Very poorly organized, and very unfair to those of us who really did have to respect the quarantine.

@Justcallmebebes

"And how is Wuhan back to normal with no vaccine"?

Because when they had lockdown they had a proper, no messing about lockdown. We had lockdown unless you wanted to go shopping, or for a walk or fancied a trip to Spain. That's the difference

They welded people into their homes!!!

@PlanDeRaccordement

Considering they took months to tell us about it in the first place, and only stopped hushing it up when it was so out of hand they couldn't control it any more, are we to believe everything they say without question?

That’s not true. China notified the WHO very early on. When there had only been a few deaths and less than two dozen cases. You forget this virus presents very similar to numerous other already known corona viruses.

That may be what they told the WHO, yes.

Oh here we go, the UK is useless and every other country is the best, plus the British are, without exception, 'stupid and selfish.' Is that about right?

@Couldbeouting77

Oh here we go, the UK is useless and every other country is the best, plus the British are, without exception, 'stupid and selfish.' Is that about right?

About right yep. Can’t do a lock down if it hit it in the face and is going down the plug hole rapidly. Sums up most of mn.

Bear in mind that not all countries will have reliable data. Many will massage the figures to make it look as though they have things under better control than they do.

Some more factual context wouldn’t go amiss here.

Pretty well ALL of Western Europe (and the US) is struggling right now. It doesn’t seem to have made any difference whether they had a strict lockdown or not. In fact, Sweden, who didn’t have any official lockdown has followed exactly the same path as everyone else.

Individualistic societies with strong citizen and privacy rights are not particularly well equipped to deal with this kind of pandemic (unless you happened to get it early and have the advantage of distance like NZ).

The answer is not ‘be more China’ but figure out how we could have dealt better, given the cultural, societal and legal norms we are working within. That’s for future pandemics.

The answer for one is to focus on rolling out the vaccine as efficiently as possible and in fairness, a good start has been made here.

It is precisely because of China's horrific human rights abuses thats why we should be very worried about countries like that becoming the predominant economic superpower and the West becoming much poorer
Countries with money have bargaining power. If the west is in a lot of debt due to covid 19 and the likes of China are doing really well, who is going to be in the driving seat?

Exactly - only you put it much better than I did
We might have tried to resist the Chinese regime before (as with the fuss over Huawei being involved in 5G) but that'll go out of the window if we need their money

Wuhan is back to normal but I know someone in China who can’t leave and has had to take a vaccine without even knowing what vaccine it is. I’m not sure how much I like the trade off.

I think that Brexit is more likely to lead to the UK 'losing everything' - than Covid.

That is a bigger worry for me.

Some businesses are flourishing and will employ more people. So whilst there are some losers, there are some winners. I'm in law and we have had a record year. I have employed people. My area of law won't be negatively impacted by Brexit either.

Re Wuhan, we should have had a proper lockdown. As a minimum we should have stopped flights in and out of the country. It was crazy to allow people to swan about.

@Justcallmebebes

"And how is Wuhan back to normal with no vaccine"?

Because when they had lockdown they had a proper, no messing about lockdown. We had lockdown unless you wanted to go shopping, or for a walk or fancied a trip to Spain. That's the difference

Well The Chinese don't believe they are back to normal as they are rolling out a vaccine too, just their own vaccine

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-18/china-plans-to-vaccinate-50-million-by-early-february

Also they are still implementing regional restrictions.

November 2020 report here: asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/China-tightens-COVID-19-restrictions-to-stamp-out-new-surges

Quote from the abve link "The country has kept the coronavirus largely at bay in recent months, thanks to extensive testing and drastic measures such as large-scale lockdowns"

The Chinese are being better at this but they are implementing draconian lockdown measures where needed.

It's hard to know how well any areas of China are doing because it's a fact that they suppressed many of their figures.

Countries like South Korea which are quite transparent due to their semi-public hospital records system and their mandatory tracking apps are having spikes again recently.

Some businesses are flourishing and will employ more people. So whilst there are some losers, there are some winners. I'm in law and we have had a record year. I have employed people. My area of law won't be negatively impacted by Brexit either.

That's great for you, but for every 'winner', there will be many losers.

Apparently the U.K. is the world leader/centre for table top war gaming and only one of its many companies, Games Workshop, brings in more money to the U.K. than the entire U.K. fishing industry! I was shocked to read that and it got me wondering why on earth does the media constantly talk about U.K. fishing rights, waters and industry when it is a teeny tiny fish relatively speaking in terms of its contribution to the U.K. economy

Because fishing is a pissing match between the UK and France, and other countries, so the blokes get all excited about who is "winning".

Thanks to Ground Almonds (first page) for your correction and apology for the mis-print, and note to others:-
If you can't be bothered to check your typing, I'm sure I can no longer be bothered to guess your meaning/s.

Covid didn’t destroy our business, in fact it’s done really well. It probably won’t survive Brexit though. Already we are having huge problems getting stuff we need and suppliers have already started increasing their prices as they can’t get the stuff they need. If it’s still going this time next year I’ll be very surprised.

@Justcallmebebes

"And how is Wuhan back to normal with no vaccine"?

Because when they had lockdown they had a proper, no messing about lockdown. We had lockdown unless you wanted to go shopping, or for a walk or fancied a trip to Spain. That's the difference

^^ this

@Justcallmebebes

"And how is Wuhan back to normal with no vaccine"?

Because when they had lockdown they had a proper, no messing about lockdown. We had lockdown unless you wanted to go shopping, or for a walk or fancied a trip to Spain. That's the difference

Spot on. The rules were optional at best. Most people are thick as shit and don't get it. If they do get it they don't care and if they do care, they only care when it suits them but the minute they feel the need to socialise or break the rules they do. There has been virtually no enforcement and the government telling people to use common sense is hysterically funny or it would be if people weren't dying.

Brains and common sense is so rare it's like a fecking superpower!

[quote isitsnowingyet]@GoWokeGoBroke

Maybe try actually checking some facts about the Covid vaccine instead of more scaremongering.

I'm a nurse, age 59, still working with rheumatoid arthritis on some fancy drugs for that. I actually trust science (have to, otherwise I would be screwed).

I will be first in line for the vaccine when it is offered.[/quote]
This particular vaccine has very high hesitancy stats among doctors.

The reason being that doctors are aware that it's fairly common for problems with new drugs to come out in the first few years of use, and many doctors prefer to use established drugs until new ones have been used for a while if there are reasonable options to do so. They also know that this drug has been rushed.

That's not distrusting science, it's knowing how science works.

@GoWokeGoBroke

Whilst I agree vaccines don’t cause autism, the swine flu vaccine has been scientifically proven to have caused narcolepsy in adults and children who were administered it. This new vaccine has been rushed, animal trials totally skipped over, known effects brushed under the carpet all to win the race to be the first Covid vaccination. There is not enough money in the world to persuade me to take this vaccine.

And this is why we will still be here ( or maybe not, maybe all dead) this time next year. The vaccine is perfectly safe, it hasn’t been rushed through at all. Get your facts right

Okay ‘proper lockdowners’

How does Spain/Italy fit into your argument?

They had very strict lockdowns. And are facing exactly the same situation as pretty much all of Europe now.

And for those who won’t take the vaccine. What’s your alternative? Do you want to keep carrying on like this instead?

The UK will get better. The UK is the best country in the world. The UK is better off out of the EU. The EU just take take take. That's why I voted leave. Do not worry about covid. You turn on your tap, you get clean water. You can breath in the free air. You have electricity. The NHS is free for now. People need to relax. Things will change and improve. I predict the return of mass council housing. I predict a boom in the manufacturing sector, that will be provide 1000s of skilled jobs, in areas such as defence, wind energy, HS2 (don't vote Labour though, or the union's will destroy all that). China will crumble, communism always does. The EU will implode also eventually without the UK. Covid will pass, all pandemics do. You need to move on from Brexit, the people have voted. The Scots need to move from independence also, the people have voted. There are too any sore losers about.

Bloody hell. What will it take?