We’re going to lose everything..

[Worriednow77]

Are we going to end up with nothing, as a country? No businesses will be left and where will the money come from to fund us all?
Wuhan and other countries look practically back to normal, with no vaccine. Why are we having the vaccine but also being told social distancing etc won’t end? What’s the point?! What’s the plan...I feel like we’re all just drifting into something

Can you imagine people’s reactions here if we had a lockdown like in Wuhan? People here were claiming it was like being under Nazi rule because they weren’t able to go to Primark. 🙄

^ this👏🏼👏🏼

[quote Worriednow77]@perditaplum Not at all! Usually a very optimistic person, but..look around?[/quote]
I do look around..and there is a lot to be optimistic about, you just need to see all the dedicated work many people have been doing to help support the country this year excluding the politicians

And this is why China will become the dominant country in the future.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

In June my friend put a post on fb saying Johnson and co should be tried for crimes against humanity. Although I’m really left wing, I didn’t really get it.

Now l do. Heedless, uncaring deaths. So many!

Let’s leave Covid to rampage through schools
Let’s lockdown too soft and too late
Let’s open shops 24/7 to ram in the crowds.
Let’s say one thing and then tell you to ignore it and do the opposite.

Proper lockdown and proper test and trace could have nailed it. We are an island. It should have been easy.

The problem being that equal numbers of people were screaming that the measures in places were fascistic and unnecessary, killing business & squashing livelihoods.

There is no way there would have been a consensus, whoever was in charge, and I’m no Tory either. They couldn’t get agreement within cabinet and they wouldn’t have got agreement within any other cabinet.

I know. This is why we are in this mess.

It will be interesting teaching history in 50 years

The government could have done so much better. We are an island. They could have stopped non essential flights and put quarantine measures in place right at the start. We knew what was coming in January.
They should have allocated extra funding to every environmental health department in every borough in the country. They are the experts in communicable disease and contact tracing. They should have taken orders and purchased PPE from the companies who have been supplying our hospitals for decades.
Instead, the faffed about, gave massive hand outs to their incompetent cronies, failed to implement the most basic public health measures.
Now the fallout from Christmas is going precipitate a massive spike and more deaths.

How is Wuhan back to normal? Do you believe a single thing the Chinese Gov put out?

I actually thought this would be a Brexit thread. we are about to lose everything.

This time next year we will be a Third World country.
UNICEF is already supplying to our poorest areas.

52% actually voted for this.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow we can all be dragged out of our old people's homes to tell school children What Life Was Like in The Great Pandemic

I was saying to the DC the other day that when I was a Politics Undergrad, I can remember discussing how unlikely a hung parliament was and all these unlikely conditions that would have to happen to make a coalition government come about.

Ha! The last 10-15 years has been non-stop excitement for the politics departments, albeit misery for everybody else.

China is looking good right now, but would you actually want to live your lives like they do? With so little freedom? And who knows what actually happened there. The govt is notorious for keeping quiet all sorts of things.

Our govt has royally fucked up it's true but I wouldnt want to be in China either!

New Zealand maybe...

@Worriednow77

And how is Wuhan back to normal with no vaccine?

This is pretty simple. They did a draconian lockdown and strict quarantine at the start of the virus.

Because when they say “lockdown”, they mean “we are coming to weld you into your apartment”.

This.

The thing is that humans are very adaptable so as pps have said, whilst some businesses may vanish, others will thrive. So whilst I would prefer a Brexit deal if we don't get it we will have to change our habits. So I'll have to eat less salads in winter and not rely on imported Spanish cucumbers and maybe in the future we'll find an economic way of extending the British season. Maybe we will all eat more fish? Maybe British grown plants will finally be able to compete with mass produced Dutch ones?

I'd find panicking about all this stuff absolutely exhausting. Fair play to you if you have the energy to do it.

Based on what your post says what will end up happening is Universal income and what business are left some people will work and earn on top of their Universal income.

Proper lockdown and proper test and trace could have nailed it. We are an island. It should have been easy.

No we still have road freight which is different to other islands. How would you have contained this?

The virus was here very early so when would you have started lock down?

People in the UK won't follow the rules. They ensure that the virus thrives.

Im with @perditaplum!

I agree OP, but the fear factor is being ramped up and lockdown has been going on for so long that people are forgetting what normal life is and how to question the government. And our governments in Europe are clearly competing with each other to have the best lockdowns. If we didn't lockdown, the international condemnation would be rife.

I'd really like to see the average age of death given alongside the daily supposed coronavirus death rates. I say supposed, because counting as a covid 19 death anyone who dies within 28 days of a positive test isn't proper evidence. So I'd also like to see a comparative table of how other countries record their covid deaths - if anyone has a link?

There’s a difference between individual lorry drivers through with one truck than continuous plane loads of people.

Risk management.

you honestly think we are getting honest accurate data from China?

Nowhere is back to normal

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

There’s a difference between individual lorry drivers through with one truck than continuous plane loads of people.

Risk management.

You didn’t answer. How would you trace the hundreds of lorry drivers?

And when would you have started lock down?

wait until Brexit kicks in

The most pessimist projections didn't take Covid into account (obviously).

The pandemic and Brexit are an absolute disaster for this country. It's easy to laugh now, but give it a few years and see the state of the economy, the NHS etc. But hey ho, we have a royal family and we are a little island running behind the USA - so most people are happy.

I would have started it well before Goodwood.