We’re going to lose everything..

[Worriednow77]

Are we going to end up with nothing, as a country? No businesses will be left and where will the money come from to fund us all?
Wuhan and other countries look practically back to normal, with no vaccine. Why are we having the vaccine but also being told social distancing etc won’t end? What’s the point?! What’s the plan...I feel like we’re all just drifting into something

Well I agree with you about Cameron! And he sloped off into the sunset. The bugger - all his fault ;

Then again I reckon I could go back further and blame Labour for the wrong Milliband. Again held to hostage.

But we are a wealthy country. And at 6th largest economy not doing too badly. Hopefully we won’t slip down.

Wuhan isnt a country.
also, they "say" they are back to normal, depends on what you believe.
We will all get through this, compared to the likes of war or natural disaster, this isnt that bad.
We have been spoilt, and for a few years it will be hard work, but thats life.

I’m in the Isle of Man and we had a proper lockdown. Borders closed, 14 day isolation and jail for breaking the rules. Covid free and life is back to normal.

But we are a wealthy country. And at 6th largest economy not doing too badly. Hopefully we won’t slip down.

About that...

I think the government are trying to appease the section of the population who want harsh lockdowns and also trying to appease the section who want to be able to go out and do their Christmas shopping and go out and meet friends and trying to keep businesses open

And trying to please all sides means they don’t please anyone.

We know lockdowns don’t work. You can’t operate a country like the UK not letting anyone in or out. Sealing people in their flats and houses without food for months at a time where looking on, the cure appears worse than the disease itself

Places like Wales who had a stricter fire break lock down than England did now have some of the worse infections in the country.
The area I shop in was bubbling along at between 100-150 infections per 100,000. Out of this recent lockdown and it is now nearer 250 and climbing.

Some of the EU countries who locked down earlier, for longer and much more harshly are also not doing great.

I am interested to hear why people think lockdowns work when looking at EU countries.

@RedToothBrush

But we are a wealthy country. And at 6th largest economy not doing too badly. Hopefully we won’t slip down.

About that...

We’ll see. But I’m definitely not wishing for it!

And how is Wuhan back to normal with no vaccine? we don't know how brutal the lockdown was for people as China's media is heavily controlled, some stories leaked that were disturbing. There were reports that the "disposable" Uyghurs were pushed to the frontlines to protect the rest of the population.

@OohIsThatAFlake

I’m in the Isle of Man and we had a proper lockdown. Borders closed, 14 day isolation and jail for breaking the rules. Covid free and life is back to normal.

Really? You can have weddings with more than 100 guests? Hotels, pubs and restaurants are heaving? Nobody wears masks and there is no social distancing?

In any case, a 'proper lockdown' is easy when you're an island with a population equivalent to that of a middling market town.

Are you really comparing the Isle of Man with the UK.

Then again I reckon I could go back further and blame Labour for the wrong Milliband

People didn't vote Miliband because of the way he ate a 'burger! We voted in DC... twice.

But we are a wealthy country. And at 6th largest economy not doing too badly. Hopefully we won’t slip down

We were 5th, we are losing car industry (and all the uk suppliers) parts of financial sector, fintech, probably airbus.
The UK is predicted to have the worst impact from CV and we've Brexit, made even worse because of the tories and their desire for a no-deal.

I don't know where you think all these new jobs are going to come from..... no north sea oil to bail us out this time..

People didn't vote Miliband because of the way he ate a 'burger! We voted in DC... twice

No Labour voted wrong Milliband. The burger was enough to decimate the other one.

I wanted to remain. Nothing to do with me.

Will still wait and see before getting all U.K. is shit though.

@IcedPurple

No masks, no social distancing, have as many people as you want at your wedding, all pubs and restaurants open and as busy as you would expect at this time of year

I’m not comparing the Isle of Man to the U.K., I’m saying that a strict lockdown, where people obey the rules, has worked for us and we’re very lucky to be where we are

@MarshaBradyo

People didn't vote Miliband because of the way he ate a 'burger! We voted in DC... twice

No Labour voted wrong Milliband. The burger was enough to decimate the other one.

The media would have done one on David and we'd have all voted Tory. Which is why we are in this mess, we keep voting Tory....despite the fact that many of the advances we take for granted were Labour ideas, opposed tooth an nail by the Cons.

Anyone think either Miliband would have had an EU vote? or run down PPE stocks? advised everyone thats its ok to shake the hands of sick people?

We will not end up with nothing but together with the economic harm that is Brexit it will take several years for the UK to be remotely as economically the same as 2019. The damage to those who are unemployed and to the prospects for young people entering the world of work will be longer term.

Because when they had lockdown they had a proper, no messing about lockdown. We had lockdown unless you wanted to go shopping, or for a walk or fancied a trip to Spain. That's the difference

This.

'Oh, but i need to go shop'.

They should have closed the borders.

But we are a wealthy country. And at 6th largest economy not doing too badly. Hopefully we won’t slip down.

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Still on the coat tails of Victoriana

My DH acquired 10% of a small construction business last year. It has gone stratospheric. Thankfully he now owns 50%. They are snowed under with work and cannot recruit staff fast enough. The business is easily going to turn over several million within its first two years of trading.

Jajas we are quite a central voting country. Blair got a landslide he also got the media on side with the well known Sun front cover.

Labour has moved into the wilderness of its own accord. Many floating or central left voters felt politically homeless in the last election.

No we wouldn’t be leaving EU if the other Milliband got in. That is the problem with Labour they go too far left for the majority.

The media is right-ish but even they can be fickle and Starmer has more of a chance. Although at times he has irritated too.

I can assure you no one was given the option to exercise during the day and hada far more strict lock down than ours. In fact, ours has been a total walk-in the park compared to other European countries.

And just in case you are wondering about Sweden’s approach it didn’t work at the end, the only reason they were not inundated with cases earlier on is because a huge percentage of the population do not share their home with anyone else.

In fact, ours has been a total walk-in the park compared to other European countries.

So? It didn’t make any difference. All of Europe has struggled since opening up.

No government tells the truth the Uk included. People who think our government are more transparent than places like China are naiive at best, our government are not as openly draconian but are as manipulative as any other.

Having said that the original post is very negative. Handling the virus was never going to be easy and the biggest issue in the UK is the people. Too many people believe that the lockdown is against their human rights and have a noone tells me what to do attitude. Just on mumsnet how many people do you think will honestly adjust their xmas plans in light of Bojo's latest speech?

Some businesses will fail, especially those that were slow to adapt or whose current business model is incompatible with modern life. It is sad of course if you are one of these people and have lost your livelihood and for the manybpeople who have really struggled with their mental health.

If you think China will not suffer economically as well you are wrong , we won’t be buying their products if we can’t afford to and nor will the rest of the world

TBH I'm more bothered about what China will step in a buy up which was once ours. There's enough of this already, but with them now having one of the few economies in any kind of shape there's likely to be a LOT more of it

I will never understand the left pushing for more and more restrictions when it is their traditional core voters (w/c) who are most impacted by all of this

Perhaps because the politics matters more to them than the actual needs of their core vote? They know perfectly well the hatred this is bringing the government, and even if they get in next time they can always blame "the other lot" for lasting effects

We will slip down. There's no way we'll stay the 6th largest economy post Brexit. But the most sensible analyses I'm seeing are predicting a slow puncture rather than Armageddon. Still shit, but a slow puncture perhaps allows a country to make adjustments so that it may not be quite as catastrophic.
The tragedy is that it could all have been so different.

I went to visit family abroad of the summer, and when I came back here, I was in a hotel for quarantine. I wasn’t tested, but I was unable to leave my room for the entire two weeks. I have a disability, and believe me when I say, it wasn’t easy. I was trying to move flats, and the new flat had no furniture, so I was unable to quarantine anywhere else.

I have spent many years in Vietnam, and they don’t mess around either. This is why they have had so few cases. If someone has had it, and does not respect the quarantine, they call you out on national television until someone finds you or you report. Other places as well have been very strict, making people were present bracelets and things. The UK has been quite lenient.