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Ring doorbell hell!
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Biddums · 16/12/2020 16:25

Hi all,

My neighbors door is right next to mine with only a brick between them. They have just got a ring doorbell (2 days ago) and I hate it!

Not only is the noise bloody annoying but it's covering my door. There is no way they can set it up to not cover both doors, they are just too close.

I don't like the fact whoever comes to my door is now on their bell cam. I also feel uneasy about the fact my kids will be on there, because you know kids leave the house, my house!

I'm pissed off that anything I buy, like a new TV, they will see and be able to have a good nose. Because they can rewatch and bloody pause.

So I need Mumsneters help. How do I go about this? Do I talk to them? How do I word it? How do I tell them that the bell they paid for has got to go? Do I offer to pay for it?

What if they say no? Do I have a leg to stand on here?

Or do I just get a family member with face covered in the night to nick it and smash it? Yes ring do replace nicked bells but not unlimited. I could get it nicked time and again.

AIBU here? Should I just accept that this is the way now? People videoing your door and kids? Idk I just feel they were wrong to get it without asking if I minded.

Funny enough a family member asked me if I wanted one about a year ago and I said no because it would invade my neighbors door.

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NewspaperTaxis · 18/12/2020 17:48

Is the OP being precious? Some people do find this stuff annoying like the person who objects to someone reading their newspaper over their shoulder. I mean, it doesn't stop them reading, but it's irritating.

The whole Ring doorbell thing is very iffy when you look into it. I'm currently reading Privacy Is Power, a new book by Carissa Veliz, and it goes into the whole area of how much data we're handing over to Google, and what they can do with it. It's kind of like Alexa, which can pick up on your activities and harvest it for its own means.

Ring is provided by Google. The police can seize the info recorded. I hesitate to say the police are corrupt, but the fact is they can be. Look at Greater Manchester, look at the Met, look at Surrey. It's true you might be dodgy yourself to be worried about this, but let's face it, with selfies taken next to corpses (the Met), cosy relationships with Stephen Lawrence's actual killers (the Met), shooting an unarmed suspect on the Tube and coming out with a cock and bull story about it later (an op run by Cressida Dick who now runs, er, the Met) not to mention strip searches by Hampshire and Hertfordshire Police, plus vile banter, well I could go on, but do you want that crowd access to your data?

That said, Council operatives can turn funny about any CCTV you install that impinges on the road outside and not just on your property. I understand they did this with one acquaintance of mine largely I admit because they were in dispute, they wouldn't care otherwise, but there might be a legal footing there.

Smart technology can be hacked. The book I recommended goes in to this point in some detail. Someone can find out if you're away or not, the equivalent of not cancelling your milk order, they can hack a smart meter to see if you're using any electricity and if not, you're away.

Can anyone recommend a form of CCTV that is not Google related, not Nest etc and is 'ethical' or the equivalent in data terms, that is can't be hacked, can't be seized by the police, can't harvest your data?

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Frazzledstar1 · 18/12/2020 21:17

I think you’re thinking too much about this. We have a ring doorbell and the only time we ever look at footage is a) to answer if someone rings when we’re out (rare at the moment anyway as I wfh) b) if something has happened outside our house and we want to look back for more info (eg DP left his shoes on doorstep overnight and ONE went missing!) I never look at ring footage unless it’s necessary and I doubt your neighbours have any interest in spying on you or your kids. So unless you’ve got a particularly exciting life I shouldn’t worry about it!
I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t keep it for too long as I expect the motion sensor going off every time someone approaches both your door and theirs will get quite irritating anyway! Drives me up the wall just our house!

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YourWinter · 18/12/2020 23:28

My neighbour's front door is on the side of their house and mine's on the front, but if they were side by side I'd be delighted that they had a camera that would show who was outside my door too. But I love my wonderful neighbours.

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stayathomer · 19/12/2020 08:29

I think a lot of people here think you're being ott but if their own neighbour did it it would be a different story. And while they may not be doing a sliver job and inspecting it all the day I wouldn't like it. Very curtain twitchy!!!

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Millybe3 · 19/12/2020 10:00

I am sure it will start to annoy them if you & your family go up & down your path to your door 40/50 times over a couple of days cos their phones will notify them & they will soon get fed up with spying on you , especially if you do this at 5 am or 11/12 at night . Just a suggestion Grin

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GlummyMcGlummerson · 19/12/2020 10:19

I don't think people suggested always make notifications go off are as clever as they think. You can have it so that, whilst it records all activity, it only notifies you when the doorbell rings.

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Adviceneeded4 · 19/12/2020 12:30

@Frazzledstar1 what happened to the shoe!?

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llGrantyll · 21/12/2020 02:48

I think maybe you think that they care about your life far far more than they do in reality.
If It really bothers you i'd let them know politely and ask if they can work with you to (as others suggested) hang a basket that blocks the majority of your pathway or a piece of plastic next to it that does that.
Its security for you, unless you have 100's of other peoples property coming in and out of your house i don't see the issue.

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Kinneddar · 21/12/2020 04:40

@llGrantyll. The OP spoke to her neighbour and the problems resolved 🙄

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chaosmaker · 26/12/2020 11:16

@PerkingFaintly

prh47bridge, I have been wondering about the efficacy of making Subject Access Requests under data protection legislation to Amazon and to the owner of any Ring doorbell one encounters.

Surely if we, Joe Public, start doing that, the Ring system will collapse under its own weight?

Amazon are slurping so much data about random passer-bys and people approaching Ring doorbells without signage, they won't be able to cope. Individual users will have less data on their hands – but even less clue about how to meet data protection legislation.

Amazon would be forced to massively reduce the scope of their system.

That's a really good idea. Amazon are just growing ever more powerful by lack of understanding from the public cos they like getting tat quicker than they would and without understanding how many small companies they've shut down.
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prh47bridge · 27/12/2020 00:27

@PerkingFaintly

prh47bridge, I have been wondering about the efficacy of making Subject Access Requests under data protection legislation to Amazon and to the owner of any Ring doorbell one encounters.

Surely if we, Joe Public, start doing that, the Ring system will collapse under its own weight?

Amazon are slurping so much data about random passer-bys and people approaching Ring doorbells without signage, they won't be able to cope. Individual users will have less data on their hands – but even less clue about how to meet data protection legislation.

Amazon would be forced to massively reduce the scope of their system.

Apologies for the belated response.

The homeowner is the data controller. Amazon is just the data processor. Subject access requests to Amazon relating to Ring doorbells will therefore fail.

There is an exemption in GDPR for personal or household activities. As long as the doorbell does not record beyond the property boundary it is covered by that exemption so an SAR would again fail. However, if a doorbell is recording images outside the property boundary the homeowner is required to respond to subject access requests, although they will only be able to provide images from the preceding 30 days - Amazon automatically delete anything older than that.

I very much doubt you could force Amazon to reduce the scope of their system in this way.
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SarahBelles86 · 03/12/2021 15:38

I 100% agree OP. We are in the same situation with our neighbour. We have a shared drive and his camera looks directly at our car. We cannot leave the house without walking past the thing. I really hate it, it is such an invasion of privacy. I find him really creepy too so wouldn't know how to approach him to discuss it. I also think he wouldn't be willing to do anything about it and may even please him to know we don't like it. We started one of us standing in front of it while the other loads the kids in the car!

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AllyBama · 03/12/2021 16:20

What was the point of resurrecting a thread that’s nearly a year old?

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HoardingSamphireSaurus · 03/12/2021 16:25

Try theses links

ico.org.uk/your-data-matters/domestic-cctv-systems-guidance-for-people-using-cctv/

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/14/amazon-asks-ring-owners-to-respect-privacy-after-court-rules-usage-broke-law

gateleyplc.com/insight/quick-reads/ring-doorbells-and-data-rights/

It really isn't a free for all. If they want the bloody thing they have to adhere by the quite simple laws that govern its use. It isn't hard to do, no harder than ordering and fitting the Ring in the first place.

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HoardingSamphireSaurus · 03/12/2021 16:26

@AllyBama

What was the point of resurrecting a thread that’s nearly a year old?

Bugger!

I saw Dec and didn't take in the year!
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barbaracus · 03/12/2021 16:29

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EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 03/12/2021 16:32

Given that this thread is over a year old, the woman in that article might even be the OP….

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JurgensCakeBabyJesus · 03/12/2021 16:38

We don't have a ring we have a eufy camera bell, it only records when motion is sensed and we can set privacy zones so for example it wouldn't be triggered of someone walked up a neighbour's path although ours has asked if we move it covering hers too (late eighties makes her feel safer, she had some scam artists trying to demand money off her for front gardening work she said no to and they ignored her when she told them to leave last year until DH and I confronted them). Can you ask if they can set a privacy zone covering your drive/path?

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JurgensCakeBabyJesus · 03/12/2021 16:38

Oh ffs

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mogsrus · 03/12/2021 16:48

Taken from newspaper article. Quote,,,,,
While using a smart door bell will protect your own privacy,property & belongings, a recent legal battle has prove that it could be at the cost of your neighbours.
The scope of smart doorbell. technology allows the Ring doorbell to record video & audio footage from 5 to 25 feet outward from where it is fixed.
Motion detection zones can be un-intrusive to neighbouring properties if set to the right distance,but a careless setup could leave you in breach of your neighbours rights. End quote:

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Sisiwawa · 03/12/2021 17:03

There was a recent ruling , Oct 21, where a neighbour was told to remove their ring doorbell as it was overlooking their property, invading their privacy.
It is only allowed to show the owners property.
Google this case

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TalkToTheHand123 · 03/12/2021 22:43

@EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn

Given that this thread is over a year old, the woman in that article might even be the OP….

Lol that was my thought. Thought the case outcome was a bit harsh.

The beach next door got one not long after me. She makes her daughter stand outside as punishment for being naughty but she now keeps ringing the doorbell. I was raging before I realised, find it quite funny.
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Wingutyoy · 03/12/2021 23:04

@Sisiwawa

There was a recent ruling , Oct 21, where a neighbour was told to remove their ring doorbell as it was overlooking their property, invading their privacy.
It is only allowed to show the owners property.
Google this case

Besides being a year old post, the Google case you are referring to was not a simple on and not black and white. If you actually read the court documents the defendant continually lied in court and the case was lost because he had multiple cameras , sharing the footage on social media, intimidated his neighbours and placed a camera on his wall covering none of his property and only covered the street and other properties.

So no just having a door bell will not land you in court Hmm
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Annoymouser2 · 03/12/2021 23:13

My brother has a small cctv camera outside front door due to moronic teens damaging cars ect, nobody has complained but did have a neighbour ask if we had cctv footage because her home got broken into and wanted to know if we captured anything on it... Its actually switched off tho, but they do come in handy though id think esp in an area thats known for breakins

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GaolBhoAlba · 03/12/2021 23:53

@SarahBelles86

I 100% agree OP. We are in the same situation with our neighbour. We have a shared drive and his camera looks directly at our car. We cannot leave the house without walking past the thing. I really hate it, it is such an invasion of privacy. I find him really creepy too so wouldn't know how to approach him to discuss it. I also think he wouldn't be willing to do anything about it and may even please him to know we don't like it. We started one of us standing in front of it while the other loads the kids in the car!

fs
Ring doorbell hell!
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