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Manipulative DM cancels Christmas to throw herself a pity party - help!!

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girasol · 16/12/2020 10:25

Aaaargh, what do I do?
I’m sorry for the length of the below, it's probably not an AIBU as I really don't think I am being unreasonable but anyway...

We had planned to see my parents (mid 70s, both have had major health problems in the past but are basically ok at the moment) at Christmas.
Hubby and I have been very careful throughout the pandemic – no eating in cafes/restaurants, no mixing indoors with anyone, both lucky to be able to work from home. Biggest risk has been from our kids (7 and 5) going to school.

My parents have gone the other way, acting like there is no pandemic, largely ignoring the restrictions (“I’m not having the government tell me what to do!” etc) – they eat out, go to the supermarket, my mum gets her nails done. This has continued even if they went into tier 3 after the lockdown (they live right on a T3/T2 boundary and to be fair to them the rates where they live are actually relatively low).

Back in the summer we booked a outdoor lights trail at a stately home between us for Xmas eve, then about 6 weeks ago we said we’d also be happy for the kids to stay over with them for one night on the basis that the risk of young kids spreading Covid seems to be much lower (albeit there is obviously still a risk) – hubby and I would not stay or be inside with them though. I’ve kept saying to them that they should avoid making concrete plans or getting their hopes up about it as we might not be able to go ahead with the plan – kids might need to isolate etc.

Now with rates escalating everywhere, multiple cases in our kids’ school (for the first time – son’s class has just finished a stint of isolation and at one point last week more than half the school was off), and us now bordering some T3 places I felt increasingly uncomfortable with the idea of letting the kids stay. My parents will hopefully be vaccinated within the next 1-2 months, and the kids won’t have been isolating because they’ll have been at school - it just felt like a risk that’s not worth taking.

I called my parents to tell them that we’re still v happy to go ahead with the lights trail but we’d like to postpone the sleepover bit (for the reasons given above). My mum responded by throwing her toys out of the pram and saying that if that’s how we feel, we should probably cancel the whole thing (ie the lights trail too). I reiterated we were very keen to go ahead with that bit and said we’d be happy to meet them for another day over the Christmas period and go somewhere else outdoors (I suggested a woods we’ve visited which is about halfway between us), so they would still get to spend the time with the kids, but she made it clear she wasn’t interested in this.

The difficulty is she has always been the queen of cutting off her nose to spite her face but it has got much worse in the last few year. She would genuinely rather cancel everything out of spite and spend the next month wallowing in self-pity, even if that means effectively punishing our children who won’t be able to see them at all.

After the initial call, hubby talked me into suggesting that we push back the sleepover until the end of the school holiday (probably new years day) – it would mean breaking the rules (no mixing of households by then, plus we’re not meant to travel to T3, which I wouldn’t be happy about), but obviously the risks would be much lower as we would have largely been isolating as a family for a good 10 days by then.

I called my parents again and spoke to my dad who said my mum was ‘very very upset’ by us postponing the sleepover, and that she now planned to try to arrange a minor surgical procedure on her knee for the day the kids were due to stay over with them (ie the day I’d suggested we now go to the woods) which would likely mean she couldn’t do the lights trail the next day either. We suggested the new year’s sleepover plan – my dad relayed this to my mum, but my mum said “Well they’ll only change their minds again so what’s the point?” and “We might be doing something else then, it’s too far ahead to plan” and “Well, we might give the children Covid, mightn’t we?!” – basically full of excuses. Because now she’s psyched herself up for a nice long pity party, she doesn’t want it to be snatched away from her, right?! Even if we were now willing to back down completely and go ahead with the original sleepover plan (which I am not willing to do), I think she would actually refuse.

I completely get that she is disappointed and upset, but she has zero interest in even trying to understand our point of view in all this which on any analysis is not unreasonable (again, this has become a recurring theme with her – she treats my views on many things with utter contempt).

I don’t know what to do now – the ball is in her court but knowing her I think it’s unlikely she will change her mind having slept on it – she is extremely stubborn and bloody minded. I would just leave her to it if it weren’t for the kids missing out.

Does anyone have any suggestions or any experience of dealing with this kind of behaviour please? Hubby thinks I just need to wait to hear back from her and if she still wants to cancel everything (which is very likely) we just say to her that we’re very disappointed, in particular for the children, and that we will have no choice but to tell them that their grandmother doesn’t want to see them over Christmas. That might be where we end up but I think that would shut the door on any chance of her agreeing to meet at all, so part of me is tempted to panda to her behaviour, objectionable though it is, just to try to salvage something for the kids.

Sorry this has been so long.

OP posts:
IloveJKRowling · 16/12/2020 14:44

It's about the risk that hubby and I are willing (or not) to take in relation to ourselves and our kids and the impact on us

This. Keep your boundaries firm. From what you've said she has form for this behaviour.

Punishing the children and dropping out of a pre-existing plan with low covid risk because she doesn't like your boundaries is childish and mean and frankly a really unpleasant thing to do to a 7 and 5 year old at Xmas. But if you cave in now, she'll do it again and again.

Not really relevant to your situation - but she is also putting other people and the NHS at risk by her behaviour (travelling out of Tier 3 to do things in a Tier 2 area). She really doesn't sound very nice.

Also, while I agree with PP about not telling the children that granny doesn't want to see them and that the changes in plans are due to covid (which they are), as they get older they will recognise that she is willing to disadvantage them if it suits her agenda. My older DD now recognises this sort of behaviour in my Mum. You can't hide selfish behaviour forever. Children eventually see when people have their best interests at heart and when they don't.

You sound great OP, and I suspect from what you've said she's treated you like this in the past. Now is a great time to be clear you won't pander to temper tantrums and toy throwing from now on.

The reason you're a bit stuck is that you don't want to disadvantage your kids... but they will be MORE disadvantaged if you set a precedent that she doesn't respect your boundaries and can threaten to disappoint the children to get her own way. Because she'll keep doing it, and they'll see it eventually.

Embracelife · 16/12/2020 14:44

Just do the things you booked yoursekf.
Dm goes or not her choice
Dont plan any sleepovers

The response to antythjng is
Covid times such a shame never mind

ConcernedAboutWarrington · 16/12/2020 14:50

Your DM is being a complete pain.

I have lived this.

I would try one more time.

"Hi mum, the tickets for the walk are still there, we'd love to see you and dad while we can. I really think it's better not to have sleepovers etc. at the moment at all, so let's just leave that altogether for now. We'll look forward to that for next year. So we hope we'll see you for the walk, we and the DCs are really looking forward to it."

That's it!! You aren't obliged to let your DC stay there. I'd hate for my DPs to get ill just for the sake of one sleepover after all this time. They'll want to see your DCs (if not you... I sometimes feel this way!) so I'm sure they'll change their minds.

I'm with you OP - just break it down, and take a step back. Probably your DM hasn't got her usual ways of coping with changes of plan at the moment. My DPs are hopeless with changes of plan! They need to mull it over endlessly between themselves though. Meanwhile you have things to do....

LH1987 · 16/12/2020 14:50

Ultimately, she is the one missing out. You could always given their tickets for the walk to someone else. Just ignore and let her simmer down before maybe trying to contact her via text in a few days.

I am perplexed though as to why the sleep over is acceptable on New Years to you but not before. Genuine question.

girasol · 16/12/2020 14:57

@PlanDeRaccordement

YANBU to cancel the sleepover due to Covid, but neither is your DM being unreasonable to cancel the lights walk too. Honestly, if it is now high risk, it is high risk and best not to mix at all. It seems you have a double standard, you can cancel due to Covid risk, but she cannot? And keep in mind, with her age group she has more than quadruple the risk of dying than you do. That will affect her perception of risk. And honestly, going to supermarket, or Covid safe salon for nails is much lower risk than spending hours in close proximity to school age children. YABU to say to your children that their grandmother doesn’t “want” to see them. That would be very manipulative if you to do. It would be the same as your DM telling her grandchildren that their mother doesn’t “want” them to have a sleepover.
But @PlanDeRaccordement my mum isn't cancelling due to perceived 'Covid risk' - I would completely understand if that was the case but it isn't. Throughout the pandemic she has acted if there is no risk. There is no way that meeting us outside is more risky than sitting indoors in a restaurant for an hour and a half which is what she has regularly been doing (and she is planning on meeting my sis and bro in law for a meal in a pub on boxing day, which is again much riskier, quite apart from being in breach of the rules/guidance/whatever). She is cancelling because she is in a strop that I'm not willing to proceed with the sleepover bit and she is trying to maximise her ability to feel sorry for herself. Perversely, she will get more enjoyment out of this than from trying to put her disappointment behind her and going ahead with the long-arranged plan to grandchildren on Christmas eve.
OP posts:
Confusedandshaken · 16/12/2020 15:01

The apple hasn't fallen far from the tree here. You and your mum both seem very determined to bring the other one around to your own way of thinking, for the other to admit they are wrong and you are right.

Just let it go. Don't engage with the drama. Accept you aren't going to agree on this. Tell her you are sorry you haven't been able to come up with a plan you are both happy with so you will leave it for now and will see her again when it's safe. Then enjoy Christmas.

girasol · 16/12/2020 15:01

@LH1987

Ultimately, she is the one missing out. You could always given their tickets for the walk to someone else. Just ignore and let her simmer down before maybe trying to contact her via text in a few days.

I am perplexed though as to why the sleep over is acceptable on New Years to you but not before. Genuine question.

The short answer @LH1987 is a new years sleepover isn't much more acceptable to me, but my husband has persuaded me to offer this as an olive branch.

This is on the basis that the four of us (hubby, kids and me) will have been largely isolating for 10 days over the Christmas period so the risk would be much lower than if the kids stay over just a few days after finishing school (when there have been multiple recent covid cases in their school). I would still feel uncomfortable about it but see the logic and was willing to offer it as a compromise, but again my mother has no interest in compromise.

OP posts:
VinylDetective · 16/12/2020 15:07

@MissLucyEyelesbarrow

I think you're right about the risk, OP, but wrong in the way you have gone about this. You should have at least tried to involve your parents in the decision, even if - ultimately- you couldn't agree. A

Your DM is being a bit of a drama queen, but I don't blame her for being upset. And, tbh, I think she has a point about not wanting to make alternative plans, in case you change them again. If you have done it once unilaterally, it's not unreasonable for her to think you might do it again.

This is exactly the point. If you’re changing plans that involve other people it’s just plain rude to change them without consulting them.
GU24Mum · 16/12/2020 15:09

I wouldn't bother with the compromise. Just be breezy and say you're sorry that they can't join you on the Christmas trail. You could also ask if they want you to pass their tickets onto your "friend down the road"......

PixelatedLunchbox · 16/12/2020 15:14

. . . if she still wants to cancel everything (which is very likely) we just say to her that we’re very disappointed, in particular for the children, and that we will have no choice but to tell them that their grandmother doesn’t want to see them over Christmas.

Come on @girasol -- Your mum is having a strop, and then you'll have one as well???

You certainly WILL "have a choice" what to tell them, and it should not be that their grandmother "doesn't want to see them". I would try to unlearn this pissy behaviour, it's unpleasant and you may well see it repeated in your children when they are grown and dealing with you...

Yummymummy2020 · 16/12/2020 15:18

I don’t think you are being unreasonable at all. You don’t have to be in a high risk group to not want to risk your family getting it. Anyone can end up very unwell not just old people. Your mum is definitely cutting off her nose to spite her face, she can see the kids outdoors and is choosing not to. I think that you should do what you are comfortable with for your family and not feel a bit bad about it. Some people are just unreasonable and the worst thing you can do is encourage the bad behaviour. You are not in the wrong at all.

liveitwell · 16/12/2020 15:21

She's being immature.

I would leave it there. Anything you say now will just wind the situation up further. You are trying to protect them and they could at least acknowledge that. They're lucky to have kids who actually care about their well-being. So many people are seeing vulnerable family members over Xmas despite knowing it will significantly increase the risk of them dying from this.

You've been fair, that's all you can do.

onlythepianoplayer · 16/12/2020 15:23

Yabvu to say to your DC that granny doesn't want to see them. Why not just say they can't see them because of covid risk

why should OP lie to her children? The gp's can see the children but are having a strop and refusing to.

VinylDetective · 16/12/2020 15:25

@onlythepianoplayer

Yabvu to say to your DC that granny doesn't want to see them. Why not just say they can't see them because of covid risk

why should OP lie to her children? The gp's can see the children but are having a strop and refusing to.

Because it’s just escalating. If she says she thinks it’s too risky because of covid she won’t be lying.
onlythepianoplayer · 16/12/2020 15:35

I'm not saying she should say it, but it is in fact the truth.

Bonsai49 · 16/12/2020 15:42

Just carry on with your plans OP. If she changes her mind she is welcome to join you - leave the ball in her court . Tell the kids the truth in a gentle child appropriate way . I had a mother just like yours - my children clocked who she was without help from me when they weren’t much older than your children .

LovePoppy · 16/12/2020 15:46

Stop pandering to your mother.

You are responsible for your children. Hold to that.

Let her martyr herself. Nothing to do with you.

WhereDoMyBluebirdsFly · 16/12/2020 15:49

My response is very simple: fuck her.

If she wants to tantrum then let her. She's the one who'll be missing out. You do not have to manage her emotions, another poster said it correctly 'you don't have to parent your parents'.

Say "that's a shame, the kids were looking forward to seeing you on the light trail, I'll give the tickets to a friend instead." And then ignore her whining. People treat you how you allow them to treat you.

LH1987 · 16/12/2020 16:03

That makes sense!

Graciebobcat · 16/12/2020 16:07

Does anyone have any suggestions or any experience of dealing with this kind of behaviour please?

Aren't you the one with the most experience if dealing with this, OP? She's your mum and it sounds like it's not the first time she has done something like this.

BlueFringe · 16/12/2020 16:13

@Laserbird16

You don't negotiate with terrorists.

Do the lights trail as that sounds lovely and your mum will huff and puff about how hard done she is.

Honestly, you can't fix this as this is her choice. She has chosen to be aggrieved, get on with enjoying yourself.

“You don’t negotiate with terrorists” is about the best advice I’ve ever seen for this sort of person. Exactly this.

Let her cut off her nose. In a few years the kids won’t want to know her anyway and she’ll have made the bed bed she’ll have to lie in.

Mintjulia · 16/12/2020 16:17

Just rise above it. Leave her to sulk but pencil in a get-together for Easter. Better weather, less risk, less stress, more predictable.

ktp100 · 16/12/2020 16:17

YANBU to think she's throwing a tantrum but YABU to pander to it. If none of you had ever pandered to her in the past when she behaved like this she wouldn't be acting like that now.

Unfortunately she's relying on everyone else to play peace keeper and facilitate her pity party.

I'm afraid I'd have to call her out on it, make sure that both she and your father know that both you and your DH recognise this pattern of behaviour in her and that you are not going to indulge it nor subject your kids to it.

Then I'd organise a lovely big treat for the kids and tell them Granny's ill so you won't be seeing her for a while.

If you keep pandering, she'll keep pulling these stunts. Better top nip it in the bud now and make sure she knows this is not behaviour you'll be allowing around her grandchildren.

goldielockdown2 · 16/12/2020 16:24

It's 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other.
Not sure why you've now decided that a light trail is no risk and a sleepover is a risk but you're entitled as a parent to make this choice, and your DM is entitled to feel disappointed and is justified in what she's saying about you chopping and changing future plans.

onlythepianoplayer · 16/12/2020 16:47

Not sure why you've now decided that a light trail is no risk and a sleepover is a risk

You really don't see why meeting outdoors is less risky than a sleepover in a house?
Wow, messaging really getting through to you for the last NINE MONTHS, huh?

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