To think this is unacceptable?

[flaviaritt]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9048759/Family-kicked-United-flight-New-Jersey-toddler-refused-wear-mask.html

This family were forced to leave a flight home because their two year old wouldn’t ‘comply’ with mask-wearing.

She’s 2.

Has the world gone mad? Surely it’s common sense that a young child should not be forced into a mask? Surely it’s a violation of the rights of the child to insist upon this?

@BlackCatShadow

It's a huge hassle for airlines to remove a passenger as they also have to remove their luggage and it means massive delays. I also suspect there was a lot more to this story that happened before they started filming.

Sorry, I missed that they didn't get their luggage removed.

I still think there must have been more to this incident before they were removed.

Clearly some people think it is fine to force a child into discomfort and distress because they might transmit an illness to adults. What happened to the interests of the child? When did we all become so short-sighted and selfish? Children - practically babies - should not be paying the price of our fear. If you are happy to force a child into a mask, I think you are a coward and an abuser

We do lots of things to children for their own safety. We give them sharp needles for vaccinations that make them cry...is that abusive? We force them into car seats and strap them down, is that abusive? We make them brush their teeth ecen when they don;t want to, is that abusive?

No, none of it is. Putting a mask on is the same thing. IT's not harmful to a child, it doesn't hurt them in anyway. It's not dangerous, its not painful, its not humiliating.

So the real issue here is that you are a clear anti-masker I think?

Public health generally takes precedent.

I wonder if in effect the airline were trying to put off fliers with toddlers during a pandemic? Not ideal if having to travel in an emergency situation, but there will be other airlines and methods of travel. And this isn’t forever. The fact that they were flying to go for a dinner is relevant.

I don’t think it’s unacceptable on the airline’s part. I think it’s unacceptable on the part of the family putting and infant through that for their own agenda.

And the airline didn't make the child wear a mask. They said everyone needs to wear a mask or you cant fly. That's different. The parents put the child in that situation, deliberately. They're the ones in the wrong.

OP seems to think this is a tale worthy of Alexander Dumas.

I'm going to hide this thread because I've had interactions with flaviaritt before. Just a warning - she will completely take over the thread, twist herself into knots to say she is right and never back down.

Asking a teenager to self isolate in their room is abusive. Sending a child to their room until they apologise is imprisonment. Getting a Santa impersonator to come to your house and not inviting the whole street is mean and wrong. etc.

MNHQ really needs to allow you to mute a poster in the way some other boards do.

@flaviaritt

So 2 year olds are magically unable to transmit the virus?

No. They can transmit it. That doesn’t make it okay to abuse them to protect adults who don’t have to be there.

Don’t be so ridiculous. It’s not abuse, and you’re being very offensive by suggesting it is. Clearly you’ve lived a charmed life and don’t understand what abuse actually is.

Don’t be so ridiculous. It’s not abuse, and you’re being very offensive by suggesting it is. Clearly you’ve lived a charmed life and don’t understand what abuse actually is.

And clearly we simply disagree about what abuse is. Please don’t make assumptions about my life as you don’t know anything about it.

I'm going to hide this thread because I've had interactions with flaviaritt before. Just a warning - she will completely take over the thread, twist herself into knots to say she is right and never back down.

Bye, slash. I’ll miss you.

The parents shouldn’t be on the plane in the first place.

Go on an airplane unnecessarily is already cruel for some toddlers. Restraints, pressure affecting their ear, etc, etc. I don't think it's wrong for airline to have rules. They can choose not to fly or use other airline with less strict rules.

I think it’s unacceptable on the part of the family putting and infant through that for their own agenda.

If it’s wrong, it’s wrong for the airline to mandate it. They could just say “no kids under 4” or similar. And then they wouldn’t be responsible for the understandable distress of these small children.

YANBU but if you read the comments on the article people are suggesting beating the child into submission or putting a plastic bag over its head. So we clearly have worse problems in our society than Covid.

@flaviaritt

But now I have work to do so will leave it there.

Lots of us wish you would but you seem incapable.

DonkeyMcFluff

Jesus.

The mother is clearly a self promoting massive drama queen anyway, and a liar to boot.

Mustbe3ormorecharacters

You don’t have to be here. If it bothers you, go away?

@flaviaritt

In that case you've chosen the wrong news report to hang the issue on.

I haven’t. They have no way of knowing why someone is travelling and they apply this disgusting policy to all 2 year olds. The justification for travel is irrelevant for that reason.

The reason for travel is certainly irrelevant, but that is because the parents had other choices for getting to their destination. No-one forced them to choose a flight on United, or indeed to choose to travel across country for a social event. The fact that they are known Covid deniers and instagram "stars" is clearly in no way coincidental.

But there are infants under 4 who can travel with masks on so that would be unfair.

They didn’t force the child down and mask it. No mask no flying. Couldn’t wear a mask so didn’t fly. I have no doubt the family knew this in advance.

@flaviaritt

But telling parents "no mask, no fun travel with us" isn't inhumane! And the only violence carried out would be by the parents, which obv no non abusive parent would do anyway so is a jul poiny

So you think the airline can just abdicate responsibility for their policy that results in violence to children, by saying, “Well, you don’t have to do it”? Nothing to do with them?

Absolutely. A parent who chooses to travel on an airline with this policy has complete responsibility. How do you contend the airline forced them to book?

Absolutely. A parent who chooses to travel on an airline with this policy has complete responsibility. How do you contend the airline forced them to book?

I don’t. I contend that, as a group of adults who should have an understanding of concepts like causation, coercion and complicity, they should understand that they do have a part in the responsibility for their own policies. Same as if they insisted children were drugged, or beaten unconscious before boarding. Yes, the parents would be responsible - and these parents, knowing it is wrong, didn’t do it - but they are responsible as well.

So you think the airline can just abdicate responsibility for their policy that results in violence to children, by saying, “Well, you don’t have to do it”? Nothing to do with them?

What violence? You can't just say that as if its fact and not your weird opinion.

"The rules are there for a reason"
I do agree. However nowhere does it state under any law that 2 year olds are mandated or even expected to wear a face covering. (Their policies are not laws)
This is just a case of power tripping at it's finest.
When this is all over people will not forget the companies who have been utter dicks.

Pretty sure this poster is one of those on here who thinks the virus was sent by God to smite the unrighteous (you know the elderly, the poor, the vulnerable etc) and is vehemently opposed to anything like restrictions or mask wearing which might interfere with the grand plan. Or at least that's what comes across from many of her posts.

@flaviaritt

I think it’s unacceptable on the part of the family putting and infant through that for their own agenda.

If it’s wrong, it’s wrong for the airline to mandate it. They could just say “no kids under 4” or similar. And then they wouldn’t be responsible for the understandable distress of these small children.

You have a strange view of responsibility Flavia. So instead of a parent choosing not to fly because they don't follow the rules , the airline should just not let them on?

What about the parents of 2 year olds whos children will happily wear a mask? Are they just not allowed on because you think it's abuse?

Also - where do you stand in oxygen masks if the plane is in trouble ?