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Withholding pudding if child hasn't eaten 'enough'

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Toriathebadger · 13/12/2020 07:31

I'm a bit torn about this. DS3 (4) is becoming fussy, I think it's just a phase as he's always been a good eater and has plenty of fruit and veg. Just lately he's hardly been eating his meal and says he's gone off a lot of the food he would usually eat. His dad (ex dp) expects me to withhold pudding if ds hasn't eaten 'enough'. He does it with his dd (from previous) who is a fussy eater. He makes her stay at the table until she's eaten 'enough', and if she doesn't then she can't have pudding. It means she's often sat at the table alone shovelling food in reluctantly that she clearly doesn't want. It makes me feel uncomfortable.

I think there's a happy medium here, as I encourage ds to eat a bit more but ultimately if he's finished then I let him have pudding and don't make an issue out of it. Ex is horrified and thinks I'm ridiculous.

Who is being unreasonable? Either of us? Just different parenting styles?

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Bonsai49 · 13/12/2020 09:23

I tend to think if they’ve got room for pudding they can normally eat a reasonable portion of dinner - I’m not saying having to clear the plate ... but I do normally insist mine eat more veg

Clockstop · 13/12/2020 09:25

We just don't have puddings. They eat fruit during the day so I don't see it necessary. We have a pudding at Xmas, Easter and birthdays. They never ask for puddings either. It's just not something we really think about as a family.

FTMF30 · 13/12/2020 09:27

@VettiyaIruken

Making someone else's pudding conditional on eating what you decide is 'enough' of the main just encourages overeating.
Isn't it overeating if they were "too full" to finish dinner but then went on to have pudding anyway?
BlackCatShadow · 13/12/2020 09:27

You can get these partitioned plates, which are great for kids. So, you can have a partition for veg, one for fruit, one for their protein and one for carbs. That way "pudding" becomes part of the meal.

www.ikea.com/gb/en/p/ikea-365-plate-with-compartments-white-80429903/

NoSleepInTheHeat · 13/12/2020 09:28

If my children aren't hungry enough for dinner then they aren't hungry enough for a treat after dinner
I never force them to finish though, and dessert if often fruit/yoghurt so not really an incentive to eat the main if not hungry.
They have to stay at the table until we are all done, as otherwise they’ll claim they are not hungry to go back to playing.

CeeceeBloomingdale · 13/12/2020 09:29

YABU to make pudding a regular thing, it's totally unnecessary

Circumlocutious · 13/12/2020 09:29

@SoupDragon

There's nothing wrong with not offering pudding if the child is too full to finish the main course.

There is a lot wrong with making them stay at the table until they have eaten "enough"

The point I would make (and to @shallbe) is that you can indirectly cause them to do the latter - to stay at the table, eat more of a particular dish than they actually want to, in order to for them to access pudding. it looks like they have free choice, but it's still incentivising overeating.
Perfect28 · 13/12/2020 09:32

As others have said, if they aren't hungry any more they don't need anything else. So if they are saying they are full, why would you give pudding anyway? Also as others have said I wouldn't have pudding be a daily thing. It should be a treat, or a healthy extra if they wolf down their food and are still really hungry (maybe after a really busy physical day).

AuntieStella · 13/12/2020 09:33

Your XP is wrong to make a DC eat food they don't want to. It should be 'take it or leave it', with leave it being a neutral, acceptable choice. But an alternative meal is not provided

But he's right that if not hungry enough to finish (or very nearly finish) the meal, then you're not hungry enough for pudding.

ClaireP20 · 13/12/2020 09:38

No, I have three boys and they eat everything. When they were little I was adamant that as soon as they said they were full, they could stop eating. I never put pressure on them to finish another mouthful. They always had room for dessert. I said it was because dessert goes round the side of the food, so of course there's always room for it! If they said they didn't want to eat something, I trusted them and said ok, fine, they didn't have to eat anything. They loved the usual kids meals, fishfingers, mash, beans (everything had to have beans!). But my husband was like your husband. He started saying 'if you don't finish it.....if you don't eat your greens..etc'. I strongly believe a relaxed approach to food is much better. They won't die, they won't starve to death, but they will associate food with stress unless you are careful. As I say, I am mum so I told my husband that he wasn't to make a big fuss of mealtimes. Now, as I say, my big boys eat anything and everything x

Lemonsyellow · 13/12/2020 09:38

@CeeceeBloomingdale

YABU to make pudding a regular thing, it's totally unnecessary
I completely disagree. Pudding is a part of a three-course or two-course meal. It’s normal in many European countries, at least. Pudding does not mean “sweets” or “junk food”.
ClaireP20 · 13/12/2020 09:39

@Perfect28

As others have said, if they aren't hungry any more they don't need anything else. So if they are saying they are full, why would you give pudding anyway? Also as others have said I wouldn't have pudding be a daily thing. It should be a treat, or a healthy extra if they wolf down their food and are still really hungry (maybe after a really busy physical day).
But there's always room for pudding...everyone knows that!! X
Pumpertrumper · 13/12/2020 09:39

I don’t understand parents who think like this at all OP sorry.

Child isn’t hungry enough to finish dinner- fine I’m not here to force feed. Their tummies their choices. Would never dream of making them sit there for hours or refusing them a piece of fruit an hour or two later.

child isn’t hungry enough to finish (or make a decent go of dinner BUT is hungry enough to eat that piece of cake they want HAHAHAHA NOOO!!
Parents who allow this are setting a terrible precedent in life. It’s the same principle as being ‘too poorly to go to school but fine to attend that birthday party/cinema trip the same night’. Children have to learn consequences of actions and that they can’t just cheer pick their favourite parts of life. I mean what 5 year old isn’t going to choose cake over broccoli? Stop enabling them!

Pumpertrumper · 13/12/2020 09:40

*cherry pick

SimonJT · 13/12/2020 09:42

@CeeceeBloomingdale

YABU to make pudding a regular thing, it's totally unnecessary
Pudding is a daily course in our home, if we removed pudding our main course would need to be larger, and we would have to slot in an appropriate amount of fruit, nuts etc at another time of the day.
MitziK · 13/12/2020 09:42

Honestly, the majority of children will claim to be full so they can get to the sweet stuff. Especially when they've started school.

I used to make sure that meals incorporated something sweet-ish, whether vegetables, cherry tomatoes or fruit when possible, a slightly sweet sauce, etc, chuck a fromage frais in (as they are a source of calcium as well as sugar) sometimes and not stress too much over what they ate first.

It got harder when they started school and learned that all breakfasts are supposed to be 99% sugar and all other meals finish with about two ounces of refined sugar, but what I did was separate pudding from the meals. That way, they'd eat what they were hungry for and could have something extra/sweet later without any conditions being attached to it.

Krampusasbabysitter · 13/12/2020 09:43

DH and I both come from homes where food never represented a battleground and both our parents loved to explore all sorts of food. We both grew up with a fairly relaxed attitude of at least trying something, a small bite and if we did not like it, we could leave it. We are using the same approach with DC who are luckily not fussy eaters, at least not yet. DD actually likes spinach; we cook it with a little crème fraiche and it is her favourite with mashed potatoes. DS isn’t keen, so we offer alternative vegetables to him. We don’t have proper pudding throughout the week but always some fruit. If DC prefer to eat that instead of their entire meal, that’s ok. I was never forced to finish my plate but then our families always had pets who would gladly oblige Grin

52andblue · 13/12/2020 09:46

I think 'treat' foods (often sweet foods) shouldn't be treated as a 'reward' for everyday nutritional foods (veg / salad / grilled meat etc)

I'd offer a normal savoury course & open access to the fruit bowl (as although sweet there is also fibre and vitamins/minerals).

Perhaps have a special Pudding on a Sunday?

I'd not refer to the amount eaten at all. When she's growing again she will eat more.

MotherOfDragonite · 13/12/2020 09:48

In our house, pudding is a treat for people who've eaten their main mean. No supper = no pudding (although it's usually an especially 'nice' fruit and if the kids haven't had pudding the night before I will give it to them as a morning snack as it's good for them anyway!)

The other thing this achieves is to position fruit as a serious treat :-)

MotherOfDragonite · 13/12/2020 09:48

*main meal

notdaddycool · 13/12/2020 09:48

Advent calendars have been a great motivator - if you’re unreasonable I am too.

Circumlocutious · 13/12/2020 09:48

Isn't it overeating if they were "too full" to finish dinner but then went on to have pudding anyway?

Not necessarily. There are many reasons I can think of for not finishing my own dinner, including a low appetite for the particular foods presented the day. Of course children will probably just articulate that as 'I'm too full'.

Of course it seems counterproductive and frustrating for them to eat less of something 'healthy' to eat more of something less nutritious. But to that I would just say: 1) make less nutritious puddings infrequent, so that it's not a massive big deal if it happens, and 2) the long-term messages you're sending them about food are more important than the short term win of the vegetables they eat on a particular day.

MagratsDanglyCharms · 13/12/2020 09:51

Is the issue about 'enough' being eaten or about key elements not being eaten? So for example, my ds would choose to leave cabbage or sprouts but eat all of his mash, so now we have a one mouthful rule for EVERYTHING on the plate. So he has to have al least one mouthfuI. I also consistently reinforce that his tastes will change as he grows up so it's good to keep checking stuff that he currently hates. He's ok with this and there are no table dramas.

Witchend · 13/12/2020 09:53

I was the child who had parents who thought I should eat "enough". I don't think we particularly had no pudding if we didn't eat enough, but my parents had a thing about me eating enough carbohydrates. This meant either mashed potato or brown bread. I now eat neither, and even the smell can make me vomit.

I still have a poor relationship with food.

Now the thing was I had a reputation in our family as being a picky eater. Looking back I wasn't. I didn't/don't have a huge appetite. Genuinely I had eaten enough. But actually the situation was that I didn't like the same food as my parents-which was very traditional British food. Toad in the hole was about as adventurous as it came (and yes, we did get mashed potato served with that).

My siblings liked that. I didn't.
We once went to a posh restaurant for my grandparents' ruby wedding. I remember sitting there awed by all the lovely food. They brought a trolley loaded with what I though of as really exotic food (like salmon!!) and served you what you wanted. I think I tried everything!
My brother took one look and said "I'd rather have bangers and mash" and my sister stuck to the one dish she knew.

As an adult, I realise that actually I was far more adventurous with food than they were. I was very happy to try different foods and often like it. But they liked the staple diet we had, which I didn't.

Have a think about it. Are you asking them to eat food they really don't like? What purpose is it to make them eat that? I'll tell you it's pretty miserable looking at a plate of food and not wanting to eat it.

Dh's family had a policy that they had to have a bit of everything and eat it all-even on Christmas day. There's only one thing dh really hates and that's sprouts. Actually I suspect if he ate one, he'd quite like it. But his memory of sprouts as a child was being forced to have one-why? He'd have happily eaten more of other vegetables, and it never would have been the only vegetable. The result is that he won't try them now.

Make a list of what they like. Is it reasonable? Are they consistent? Can you make sure that there is always something decent that they like? I prefer raw carrots, so often eat mine raw. Is that a problem? No. Does it matter if one meal all they eat is raw carrots? No. Just make sure the other meal has other food types-do cheese on toast or pizza with extra cheese or something.
Get them to help cook when you're doing something new. Children often will try things they've made that they won't otherwise. Praise them for trying things, and don't make them finish it if they don't like it.
And don't give them a huge portion. I used to find a huge portion made my appetite disappear immediately. I knew I wouldn't finish it, so it felt too much to begin.

For my dc, I have one who as a baby ate everything, then was ill as a 8yo and then ate a very limited diet after that.
One who ate nothing as a baby (only thing she'd eat consistently was tinned sweetcorn) and now eats fairly well, but always had a small appetite.
One who always will try things and eats well all the time.

So for the first one, I would make sure that every other meal was something she'd eat. But if it was something I knew she really didn't like, then I'd do her a baked potato and cheese, or I'd have a pie that she could eat 1/4 at a time. It was a boring diet, but she survived. The one thing I didn't allow was liking something the day before then refusing it the next. She's now an adult and eats a healthy diet, not hugely varied, but that isn't a problem.

With dd2 if she hadn't eaten much for a couple of days I'd do a tin of sweetcorn. Gradually she learnt to try things and eat more, never put pressure on her to eat, and now she eats most things (except melted cheese).

Ds I know he's really ill if he doesn't eat, so never a problem!

bluebluezoo · 13/12/2020 09:53

Honestly, the majority of children will claim to be full so they can get to the sweet stuff

Interestingly, i don’t have a sweet tooth and will always choose savoury over sweet. I’m the one who has a starter rather than a pudding etc..

My sibling has an incredibly sweet tooth and would quite happily live on pudding and sweets as a child. They refused dinners to the point my parents sought medical help for “fussiness”, and were told to let him eat what he wanted, just keep offering. Through school I chose baked potatoes and spaghetti bolognaise, they had a bag of crisps, a coke and a mars bar every day.

I am the one with the weight issue. I’m the one who was encouraged to finish my dinner, one more bite etc. My sibling can have one biscuit out a box and put the rest away, go without dinner if they aren’t hungry. It is portion control that is my issue.