to think 'Fuck em, if you want No Deal Brexit so hard, then enjoy it' and fuck you if it turns out shit for you

[chomalungma]

I am past caring now.
I feel for people who didn't want Brexit. Who know all the implications and can see the issues that are coming.

But if you want No Deal Brexit and it fucks you up, tough shit.

You wanted it. You get it. You own it.

And pardon me if I don't give a shit anymore about you.

They have also done fuck all to even listen to the concern of half the country who didn't want this.

It feels like we have been ignored.
And we have seen what feeling ignored feels like.

@Livelovebehappy

We are not going to starve. Fact. Some food may be more difficult to get initially, but there will be other food to eat instead. For people to say otherwise is just scaremongering.

What about life saving medicine? You know the kind that people need specific types of, right when they need them? Are the just collateral damage?

I think the problem with your POV, OP is that none of us were qualified to vote for this in the first place.

Where was the factual information guiding us? There was none because the ‘facts’ were all made up - by the dick head who’s in charge now.

I reckon many people voted blindly just because they thought they should. Probably they’re regretting it now. They were as much a victim as Remainers - more so as they were fooled.

Relevant in response to your silly comment about me having got my country back. It's not my country. Is the connection clear enough for you now?

Breaking news: people can have more than one passport. Hope that's clear enough for you now.

In other news, I don't give two hoots what passport you have - but do carry on spouting your Brexity wisdom, it's so bloody enlightening.

@cdtaylornats

There are a great many who voted Leave because they got nothing from the EU.

Take the much vaunted free movement - if you were a plumber from Halifax all it meant was your hourly rate came down to match a Pole or Bulgarian.

Free movement was good for that little group of media people that liked to shuffle round the EU.

Engineers and scientists can pretty much work anywhere regardless of there job location.

My dad was a cleaner/maintenance fitter (before being made redundant), my mum is a teaching assistant. I've always been a low-earner and in many ways I'm rural working class; Freedom of Movement is (or was) so important to me. Now people like me will find it so much harder, if not impossible, to experience living and working abroad.

I'm determined to find a way back, but it shouldn't be this hard. And for what? More expensive food? Polish plumbers being replaced by Indian ones? Will the unemployed farmers and Nissan workers be happy if they get an English plumber now?

I hate the narrative of FoM only benefitting the middle classes and disadvantaging the working classes. Nothing about Brexit is going to help the working classes.

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@KenDodd

Other countries within Europe have managed fine outside the EU. Let’s just see how it goes before hyper ventilating about it.

Please tell me more about these other countries in Europe that have managed fine outside the EU, the single market or the customs union? Which countries are they?

Maybe pp is thinking about: Moldova Kosovo, Albania Andorra. Armenia. Azerbaijan. Belarus. Bosnia and Herzegovina Georgia Serbia Montenegro

These are all really great countries where democracy is the main focus and their economies are soaring. All of them are totally sovereign and none have ties to an entity formerly known as ussr. They would never think of embracing genocide or even look cross at a kitty. And their leaders, wow! They have been long standing perfect citizens with an immaculate soul and conscience. And let's not forget all of them have an IQ of above 160, especially the Belarus leader, who also enjoys riding on his tractor.

We will be in great company!

I don’t vote for it, and I think it’s a poor idea, but I’ve reached the stage I don’t give a shit, just get it done and get off this roundabout now, and let us start to recover from what’s to come. No one wants this to go on any longer, it’s enough now.

If we can’t get a trade deal then let’s just go and then sort it,

Will the unemployed farmers I've never met one

@Livelovebehappy

Get a grip OP. TBH, I’ve not heard anyone regret having voted leave. Because no-one has experienced any consequences of leaving yet. We really don’t know what life will be like post Brexit. No-one knows. Unless of course you’re listening to the media’s predictions of doom and gloom, and when are they ever right? They just stir the pot. Other countries within Europe have managed fine outside the EU. Let’s just see how it goes before hyper ventilating about it.

You can't be serious saying this about the media saying it's all doom and gloom? The press has been all for it! The press is by far dominated by Tory supporting, right wing, Brexit loving, let's stick to the foreigners views!

I find the whole situation baffling. Apparently 97%of a deal is done, painfully thrashed out in the background all these years and now it's going to all be discarded over a very typical French spat.

Boris tried to divide and conquer, but it didn’t work. Apparently, Macron, Merkel and Von Leyden talk to each other and have agreed a joint position. Who could have predicted that, eh?

@raskolnikova, I’d join that group.

@MaxNormal

Yes I'm beyond trying to win hearts and minds, told it's my fault because I didn't kiss Brexiteer arse hard enough, getting called a Remoaner and told that I lost, get over it. Moment of truth is almost here.

@Europilgrim that is hilarious

Exactly! The successive Tory governments have done nothing to win hearts and minds and have looked to divide the country more and more despite the closeness of the original vote.

As has already been explained here already; Brexit is first and foremost a tax wheeze. That was its purpose.

It's out there in the public internet domain: a full and frank explanation.

Emotional splurges about it (Leave, or Remain) matter not. It is happening.

Absolutely @LimitIsUp

I'm in a EU country, and a lot of skeptics have reconsidered after seeing how much brexit has been fu...ed up. I know this is largely because of your domestic politics, but nobody here wants to be outside EU without some kind of a deal, so the support of eu is greater than it has been for a long time.

As much as I wish you the best, I can't help but shutter at the thought of you going 'nah nah nah we told you so' or 'its all your fault for making us leave and not giving us everything we wanted without cost/responsability' depending on how it goes.

Guess we can't win that one and now I better think of a new username .

I am kind of with you Bluntness100 , we have no bloody control over the situation, no power to make it better, nothing, all we can do is hope for the best whilst fearing the worst. Once we do know what is involved then we can individually do our best to mitigate any negatives.

[quote Hollyoakswatcher]@ssd democracy does happen, you just happen to be in the minority, someone has to be, that is literally democracy. If Scotland had b come independent and we had remained would you still be bleating on about how undemocratic the country was. Of course not. It’s embarrassing some of the attitudes on here. We lost, there was always going to be a side that lost, now we have to move on and make the best of what we are given.[/quote]
You lost me at bleating on.

As someone who lived in the UK from birth to age 37 but then moved to one European country and has now settled in another 20 years later, I find it horribly sad that it's come to this.

EU membership was not even a minor consideration in the British psyche until 2016 until the 'powers that be' decided there was lots and lots of money to be made by watering down workers rights, food standards, the health market et al. That could only be achieved outside the EU so, that's what needed to be done.

Look at the drivers - Rupert Murdoch, the Barclay brothers, the fund managers, the US and Chinese behemoths that are now circling your tiny island full of confused and angry people, ready to swoop in and engulf you.

I feel for you - the 'small' people who will suffer. You don't deserve the shitstorm that's waiting for you.

@derxa

Will the unemployed farmers I've never met one

Fine, whatever, farmers are going to be fine after Brexit then. So cross that off, will the Nissan workers who will be out of work soon be happy with their English plumbers?

I'm angry too. Almost every leaver I know pays hardly any attention to politics, they had no idea of the ramifications of voting to leave. They will be the ones who suffer with higher prices.
A couple had thought about it and fair play to them. One was a full blown racist cow.

@frumpety

I am kind of with you Bluntness100 , we have no bloody control over the situation, no power to make it better, nothing, all we can do is hope for the best whilst fearing the worst. Once we do know what is involved then we can individually do our best to mitigate any negatives.

The only way to mitigate negativity is with money.

If you don't have money you're stuffed.

I also agree with Bluntness. There is absolutely no point wasting energy on it now because it is a 100% inevitability. Why make yourself more unhappy for no reason. There will be opportunities arising from it, don't ask me what, but there always are in times of change. People who succeed will not be the ones whining and moaning.

Spot on Sarahlou63 - sadly.

[quote LimitIsUp]No, they really wouldn't poptartsarefood www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-news-latest-britain-against-leaving-eu-as-poll-of-polls-says-most-now-want-to-stay-a4257476.html[/quote]
Because polls have been so politically accurate lately. brexit didnt happen, Jeremy is our PM and Hilary is on her second term in poll land. It's called an "echo chamber".

"There will be opportunities arising from it, don't ask me what"

- well at least that made me laugh

@LimitIsUp

"Also, no one knows what Brexit with a deal or n deal will look like for years and I suspect the EU will collapse as lots of other countries will follow the Uk."

No they won't !

For example, having observed the unfolding shitshow in the UK, Marine Le Pen, France's far right leader (who could be seen hero worshipping Nigel Farage back in 2016) and who once was emphatically behind French withdrawal from the EU, remains EU critical but has now abandoned her old promises to take France out.

The EU is now enjoying a bit of a renaissance among member countries

This was from 2018! Have you not followed the news for the past couple of years? (No of course not, you're a leaver - probably never read a serious newspaper)

Support for EU membership above 80% in most member states

@LimitIsUp

I'm laughing at your assumptions

I voted remain. But I've got over it now- it's 4 years ago.

As for not reading a serious newspaper...oh that's SO funny but I will say no more other than you are so far off the mark it's hilarious.