to think 'Fuck em, if you want No Deal Brexit so hard, then enjoy it' and fuck you if it turns out shit for you

[chomalungma]

I am past caring now.
I feel for people who didn't want Brexit. Who know all the implications and can see the issues that are coming.

But if you want No Deal Brexit and it fucks you up, tough shit.

You wanted it. You get it. You own it.

And pardon me if I don't give a shit anymore about you.

we had essentially two votes, the referendum and the general election

No we bloody didnt

It was the referendum...absolutely no one i know who voted in the general election voted on one policy that was supposed to be a done deal

@Applesonthelawn

We led the way on workers' rights, our environmental protections are higher than EU's. Utter scaremongering shite.

That will be a good, warm, fuzzy feeling to hold onto while people are knocked into poverty. Shame you can't eat it, eh?

We led the way on workers' rights, our environmental protections are higher than EU's. Utter scaremongering shite

Bless. Got your country back, did you?

@Applesonthelawn

Apart from Rees-Mogg and the Ultras, obviously, who will shortly shred workers' rights, environmental protections, food standards and Christ knows what else. This is such bollocks, but if you want to make yourself miserable and whip everyone around you into a frenzy, be my guest. Irresponsible and stupid, but I respect your freedom to do it.

Business has made it clear it wants the WTD to be watered down, many tories agree, the MW has already been cut back, no increase to higher rate tax or reduction in HR pension tax relief, so its not about bring in more money to the treasury.

Johnson has announced changes to the planning laws to make it quicker and easier to build in areas previously deemed unsuitable.

The only way to get a FTA with the USA is to allow in meat products from animals reared with lower welfare standards, the only way UK farmers can compete is to lower theirs too.

The UK is heading toward a low tax, low public spend, small govt economy.

Bless. Got your country back, did you?
I have an EU passport

Ffs give it a rest. Four years later i know you're desperate for half the country to be experiencing regrets, but sorry not sorry. By nature who voted leave are not opposed to change and I think you'll find most have moved on mentally and deal with day to day change without the constant angsting and whining. It is so boring. Whatever happens, most of the country will be fine. After a covid. year there is really no angsty prediction that will leave a dent. Economic collapse, thats nice another one? Something about Bulgarians, do tell? No one cares. No deal brexit, bring it on.

We led the way....
i.e. at a time in the past. I very much doubt if the current Government will lead the way on either workers's rights or environmental protection. Tax evasion measures - yes, I do expect them to lead on those.

There are a great many who voted Leave because they got nothing from the EU.

Take the much vaunted free movement - if you were a plumber from Halifax all it meant was your hourly rate came down to match a Pole or Bulgarian.

Free movement was good for that little group of media people that liked to shuffle round the EU.

Engineers and scientists can pretty much work anywhere regardless of there job location.

Just to add, if there was a vote tomorrow I think you'd find most would do it again. We are who we are

On a similar thread a while ago I semi-flippantly suggested starting a support group for those of us without the now-desirable Irish/other EU passport. I think I'll continue semi-flippantly suggesting it until it becomes A Thing.

Maybe if we charge a few quid membership fees we could afford some visas or Maltese passports...

@Livelovebehappy

We are not going to starve. Fact. Some food may be more difficult to get initially, but there will be other food to eat instead. For people to say otherwise is just scaremongering.

Scaremongering. Right.

www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/18083251.child-poverty-north-east-at-worst-level-memory/

The UK has consistently moved the bar up on on health issues and employment rights within the EU. We started ahead, and I'm not sure where the idea that where the idea we'd want to trade down came from. We're also pretty progressive on food hygiene rules. Way ahead of Denmark, for example, on rearing pigs for bacon, which is why Danish bacon is cheaper than British at Tesco. Please feel free to choose cheap food over ethical food. But you can't have your cake and eat it. Or cheap British bacon. Food standards come at a cost. I choose to pay the premium for British bacon and can (very very fortunately, I agree) afford to do so. If Danish is what you can afford, I am not about to disagree with you.

"Also, no one knows what Brexit with a deal or n deal will look like for years and I suspect the EU will collapse as lots of other countries will follow the Uk."

No they won't !

For example, having observed the unfolding shitshow in the UK, Marine Le Pen, France's far right leader (who could be seen hero worshipping Nigel Farage back in 2016) and who once was emphatically behind French withdrawal from the EU, remains EU critical but has now abandoned her old promises to take France out.

The EU is now enjoying a bit of a renaissance among member countries

This was from 2018! Have you not followed the news for the past couple of years? (No of course not, you're a leaver - probably never read a serious newspaper)

Support for EU membership above 80% in most member states

There's a lot of things nobody knows, we are all just guessing at the moment, but to wish ill on others for disagreeing with you is shameful. Is that the nice, tolerant face of left wing politics

You seem to be deliberately misunderstanding.

People can vote for whatever they want.
But I have fuck all sympathy if what they vote for ends up fucking them over.

Turkeys and Christmas

I have an EU passport grin

Erm...well done? Relevant in what way?

Not giving a fuck is about the same as no long caring about an outcome, or to put it another way, no longer emotionally attached to an outcome. I think this is a perfectly reasonable position as someone who has cared greatly and done everything possible to have a remain outcome. To remain in a state of anger or constant care is not possible or healthy. I can no longer care deeply about every citizen that will be caught up in the fallout. Boris is in charge, no one can deny. It's up to him. He fucks up and I hope the blame will stick to him and he sinks in the next GE. That is how our democracy works.

The UK is heading toward a low tax, low public spend, small govt economy.

This got missed, but it had me laughing out loud. Some people are living in fantasy land, where rainbow farting unicorns carry them around the Kingdom.

The low public spend will come true though, but the other 2??? hahaha

By nature who voted leave are not opposed to change and I think you'll find most have moved on mentally and deal with day to day change without the constant angsting and whining.

That is a big statement, assuming you know all the millions of people who voted to leave and their characters and feelings. In one respect you are right , 'they' allegedly did vote for a change, the only fly in the ointment is that nothing changed, so for the last four and a bit years, nothing changed, we stayed the same, we remained in the EU. January this year we left the EU and still nothing changed. January 2021 things will change. Do come back and tell us how all those millions of people are feeling about the changes which they haven't had to face for the last four and a half years won't you ?

We are who we are

Aren't you just.

Thank God others aren't.

@cdtaylornats but more importantly they have benefited from the trade deal the EU has with the rest of the world which enabled them to get easy and affordable access to food, fuel, medicines etc. It’s not just about free movement although personally I think that’s a good thing.

We’ve lost everything now, and it sounds like we’re going to have to start again from scratch.

We led the way....
i.e. at a time in the past. I very much doubt if the current Government will lead the way on either workers's rights or environmental protection. Tax evasion measures - yes, I do expect them to lead on those.
You speculate of course, and there's nothing wrong with that, but the assumption is that EU politicians are better than ours, whereas I think they really aren't (and the bar is already low).

Other countries within Europe have managed fine outside the EU. Let’s just see how it goes before hyper ventilating about it.

Please tell me more about these other countries in Europe that have managed fine outside the EU, the single market or the customs union? Which countries are they?

No, they really wouldn't poptartsarefood www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-news-latest-britain-against-leaving-eu-as-poll-of-polls-says-most-now-want-to-stay-a4257476.html

Erm...well done? Relevant in what way?
Relevant in response to your silly comment about me having got my country back. It's not my country. Is the connection clear enough for you now?

Who are you talking to?