to think 'Fuck em, if you want No Deal Brexit so hard, then enjoy it' and fuck you if it turns out shit for you

[chomalungma]

I am past caring now.
I feel for people who didn't want Brexit. Who know all the implications and can see the issues that are coming.

But if you want No Deal Brexit and it fucks you up, tough shit.

You wanted it. You get it. You own it.

And pardon me if I don't give a shit anymore about you.

Let's not forget the service sector as we have no idea what rules/regulations they will have to follow. If they can offer services to EU countries and with what conditions....
Just as a reminder: agriculture 1%, production: 13% and services 79%.
Fish don't register even.

Sorry, Sarahlou63, I'd disagree with every word of your post, except your personal history.

People who succeed will not be the ones whining and moaning

You are aware that by using language like this, you continue to fan the flames, yes?

Yes. Of course you are.

@LimitIsUp

"There will be opportunities arising from it, don't ask me what"

- well at least that made me laugh

I hear there are opportunities to train as customs agents now...

@XingMing

Sorry, Sarahlou63, I'd disagree with every word of your post, except your personal history.

Why?

Another piece of fact:

The EU accounted for 43% of UK exports of goods and services and 52% of imports in 2019.

The UK generally imports more than it exports meaning that it runs a trade deficit. A deficit of £131 billion on trade in goods was partially offset by a surplus of £100 billion on trade in services in 2019. The overall trade deficit was £31 billion in 2019.

1. This means that as of now we don't know what will happen to that 43% of UK goods that so far have gone to EU. Without a deal it will rot in our storage facilities. or not. but there is no clear, coherent plan of what we'll do with it.

1. It would be great to know what makes up that 52%. Exact product groups. So we can see what we won't be getting in the foreseeable future.

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02815/

It’s doing more damage now all this fucking about, there is no doubt the eu needs us just as much as we need them, but both sides are playing hard ball, the whole vote was a huge mistake. But we’ve done it now, and we need to just leave and stop this constant uncertainty and panic

Doing it then dealing with it, is better than the situation we are currently in.

@Cattenberg Welcome to the Group

Johnson has fucked everyone about. No trade deals were ever on the cards with him. Every government assessment has shown every brexshit option to be bad for the country, so he cannot afford to put his name to something that will leave people suffering. So, blame everyone: us stop brexit people, the EU, other political parties, and innocent cute blustery bj is blame free.

Yes I'm angry. Mainly for younger people with risky employment and housing. For EU citizens here and UK citizens living in the EU. For young people with lost opportunities. For our science and research projects. For poorer parts of the country long neglected by Westminster who had so much funded via the EU.

Damn right I'm angry. With the liars who deceived the country and those who voted for xenophobic reasons, or who didn't know what they were voting about - eg those who googled what is the eu the day after the referendum - and who still have not wised up.

The only bright side I can see is that the die hard brexit believers haven't made preparations. I shan't be needing to fight in the supermarket as I've been preparing since May drew up her red lines precluding membership of the Customs Union and the Single Market.

But fuck this brexshit that has split families, destroyed businesses already, made second class citizens of EU citizens here, made life so difficult for UK citizens on the mainland. Makes us a weaker poorer nation.

Yeah, I get you op. There are many reasons to empathise and feel compassion. Someone suffering the negative consequences of a vote when they were warned over and over about those consequences is not one of them.

The only exception would be people who genuinely weren’t bright enough to follow the arguments and were swayed by Leave.

The idea that anyone who feels this way is an unspeakable meanie is yet more of the childish, petulant logic that has frustrated me so much about (a lot of) Brexiteer argumentation. It’s the same thinking that had them shouting down all warnings of a bad - or, god forbid, no - deal because the Europeans would come grovelling and the U.K. would set the terms of the future relationship, only to turn round and say the fact the EU was leveraging its position was proof positive of how awful they were. An unappealing mix of arrogance, mulishness and naïveté.

Pretty much the only Brexiteer arguments for a very long time now have been: Remainers are so nasty; we won so get over it; we don’t know what will happen (this one sounding sillier by the day).

@raskolnikova

Well - I haven't seen any data on recent polls about No Deal and what people think.

The EU is our closest trading partner. Most major economies try and do trade deals with other countries because it makes trade easier with fewer barriers.

But it's done. We are going to get No Deal.

And impose barriers and friction on the bloc that we do most trade with.

But what's done is done. People are going to have a crash course in economics.

@Bluntness100

It’s doing more damage now all this fucking about, there is no doubt the eu needs us just as much as we need them, but both sides are playing hard ball, the whole vote was a huge mistake. But we’ve done it now, and we need to just leave and stop this constant uncertainty and panic

Doing it then dealing with it, is better than the situation we are currently in.

Not really. At the moment we are still in the EU.

But we’ve done it now, and we need to just leave and stop this constant uncertainty and panic

True, we have had 4 and a half years of not having to deal with it, worrying about what form it will take, without having any control over it. 19 days to go and we will at least start to get an idea of what we are facing.

Oh, and to anyone who thinks that health and safety and environmental safeguards will be ok, please do consider that the Daily Mail has been banging the Elf ‘n Safety drum in much the same way as it undermined the EU for decades now.
By the way, I am not doom-mongering. I’m hoping that when the dust settles, things won’t be much different to how they would have been had we stayed. If this government goes, perhaps we’ll get one we can rely on not to tear up red tape (read: things that protect what Farage charmingly called the “little people”) and new arrangements will be found. What an achievement!

Of course, if anyone can share any outcomes that would be positively beneficial to the average citizen, please do share.

Agree completely with the OP. Screw em', they wanted this farce. I'm not sure how they ever thought it was going to pan out. The same goes for working class people who voted Conservative - I'll spare my tears when you get totally and utterly shafted over the next few years.

@ssd, because actually the Uk entered the Common Market as it was then with stronger employment rights and more progressive politics than most of Europe. Spain and Portugal were ruled by fascists, and joined later. We had stronger health and safety regulations, which have been the basis on which EU H&S regs are built. We had (insufficient) gender equality legislation earlier than most of Europe, and the UK has generally tried to enforce rules from Europe.

There will be opportunities arising from it, don't ask me what, but there always are in times of change.

Well, yes, some people did well out of the last war, and not just the spivs and black marketers. My DM and MIL both got good quality, well paid work out of it. But I have never ever heard either of them say that the War was a good thing; they realised they were the luckier ones.

Those on this thread who said Northerners were all racists and people from Sunderland were morons can fuck off.

Seriously. Have a word with yourselves.

You Southerners are only pissed off because you are scared of losing your cheap East European cleaners and you might not be able to retire to your holiday home in Italy.

I wonder how long the stereotype of remainers being 'north London/metropolitan elite' will take to die...

Leaving EU could have been achieved within EEA like Norway is. Not a member of EU anymore, mission accomplished.

But it would have meant paying into EU and allowing FOM.

Sorry now but that sounds mean and xenophobic. Who knew?

I can assure you that not all Southerners think like that THis

A long time @raskolnikova. Because the lives of Brexit voters are SOOO different, and a lot worse frankly.

You could always organise a socially distanced march with naice banners and what not. That'll show em.

Take 10 minutes of your time;

www.facebook.com/watch/?v=212218900511254