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to think 'Fuck em, if you want No Deal Brexit so hard, then enjoy it' and fuck you if it turns out shit for you

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chomalungma · 11/12/2020 19:04

I am past caring now.
I feel for people who didn't want Brexit. Who know all the implications and can see the issues that are coming.

But if you want No Deal Brexit and it fucks you up, tough shit.

You wanted it. You get it. You own it.

And pardon me if I don't give a shit anymore about you.

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Notonthestairs · 13/12/2020 17:30

Why would you need an EU passport - isn't it all going to be wonderful here?

KinseyWinsey · 13/12/2020 17:38

I moved to an EU country since the referendum result. I couldn't bear losing my EU passport.

I've still some time to go before I can apply for citizenship of my new home country.

I made a friend here. I found out she voted leave. Her husband had got a job here two years ago. They're now applying for citizenship too so they can have an EU passport whilst having been quite happy to deny the EU passport to others.

She's still glad she voted leave.

She's not a friend. Voting leave, whilst it was a moronic thing to do, is one thing but then applying for citizenship for the EU passport is unforgivable.

There's a common denominator here; people who are quite happy, even gleeful, to shaft others. And that is why the UK will always be divided. They've come out from under their stones. Nasty.

KenDodd · 13/12/2020 17:41

@Workerbee80

Worse @Workerbee80 knowingly voted to put at risk a peace treaty that has saved the lives of 2,000 people (based on death rates before the GFA) in the same country she then took out a passport from so she could personally enjoy the advantages that passport gave her.

Is there anything in the above statement that isn't true?
I assume you knew about the GFA and border in Ireland before you voted Leave and before subsequent 'get Brexit done' elections? Therefore you voted knowingly.
The GFA is estimated to have saved the lives of 2,000 people in the 20 years since its birth.
You then took out a passport for a country you had knowingly risked the peace in because said passport brought you certain advantages.

All true. So why respond with the comments below?

Stop with the hysterical scaremongering and accept democracy.

Since your vote (that you are so delighted about) we have seen the birth of the New IRA and the killing of Lyra Mckee, therefore to point out the fact that your deliberate vote has endangered a fragile peace is not scaremongering.

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 13/12/2020 17:43

@Workerbee80

I think the problem is that a lot of people don't understand how Irish citizenship works and to be honest I'm tired trying to explain.

Anyway, not talked about tomatoes for a while....

Yes, you had Irish citizenship but your children didn't. You had to actively register them on the Irish Foreign Births Register for them to acquire it. You are quite the piece of work.
KenDodd · 13/12/2020 17:45

For what it's worth @Workerbee80 you're not alone. I've yet to meet a Leave voter who gives a single shit about the peace in NI. Yougov polling also shows this.

Applesonthelawn · 13/12/2020 17:53

You've been had.
No, because I'll be able to vote for a party that doesn't do that if it's not what I want, and then I'll be able to hold my MP accountable, without bothering about what the other 27 countries want/aim to/pretend to implement.

KenDodd · 13/12/2020 17:55

A friend of mine's mum did exactly this. Voted Leave then got herself an Irish passport. My remain voting friend and his children are one generation (or two) two far to get an Irish passport themselves. He no longer sees his mum anymore for voting to strip her own grandchildren of their EU citizenship while going out of her way to keep her own.

jasjas1973 · 13/12/2020 17:57

@Applesonthelawn

You've been had. No, because I'll be able to vote for a party that doesn't do that if it's not what I want, and then I'll be able to hold my MP accountable, without bothering about what the other 27 countries want/aim to/pretend to implement.
Jesus Wept... Do you really believe that?
KinseyWinsey · 13/12/2020 17:58

@Applesonthelawn did you not bother voting in the European elections then?

bellinisurge · 13/12/2020 17:59

Obviously you were already entitled to an Irish passport because you are an Irish citizen. As am I.
I'd be fucking ashamed of myself if I had voted Leave.

KenDodd · 13/12/2020 18:01

No, because I'll be able to vote for a party that doesn't do that if it's not what I want, and then I'll be able to hold my MP accountable, without bothering about what the other 27 countries want/aim to/pretend to implement.

I think a lot of Leave voters live in some sort of fantasy land with their ideas about voting governments and holding MPs to account. I'm 51, I always vote in every election and referendum, never once in UK elections, has the person or thing I voted for won, not once. Ironically I've had rather more success with EU elections because of their different voting structures.

jasjas1973 · 13/12/2020 18:01

We don't have PR, so a FPTP system means that no matter how many vote for the losing parties, they don't matter, they are ignored and that ain't going to change.

TheWichitaWineOne · 13/12/2020 18:01

There's a common denominator here; people who are quite happy, even gleeful, to shaft others. And that is why the UK will always be divided. They've come out from under their stones

Yep. Another parallel with Trump voters imo.

I've yet to meet a Leave voter who gives a single shit about the peace in NI

And yep again. The one person I know well, who voted Brexit literally said to me: "I really don't understand anything about Ireland and borders and stuff."

It's an absolute bloody tragedy. Scotland will eventually win independence and Brexiteers will have an even smaller, shabbier rock to crouch upon, crowing about 'getting their country back.'

KenDodd · 13/12/2020 18:02

Voting governments out

FastMovingLuxuryGoods · 13/12/2020 18:02

[quote KinseyWinsey]@Applesonthelawn did you not bother voting in the European elections then?[/quote]
C'mon Kinsey, you know that's the wrong sort of democracy as far as Leavers are concerned.

They much prefer the Good Old British kind, where due to FPTP only a small proportion of UK voters can actually cast votes that count, and most of us didn't vote for the party that is in power, and our Upper Chamber is entirely unelected.

Applesonthelawn · 13/12/2020 18:03

did you not bother voting in the European elections then?
And there we have the ridiculousness of many of these conversations. I could vote in the European elections to support (for example) the workers' rights I want, or I could vote in UK elections. So either way, I'm having my say, which is a perfectly reasonable answer to the previous post which was saying that it would be a race to the bottom if we came out. My post was pointing out that a voter has not lost his/her ability to influence by coming out.
And as for

Applesonthelawn · 13/12/2020 18:05

As for Jesus Wept... Do you really believe that?, what part of it are you saying isn't true?

bellinisurge · 13/12/2020 18:06

@KenDodd , your friend could himself get an Irish passport if he applied to get on the Foreign Birth Register first. If he has an Irish born grandparent, he's entitled to. He can bypass his own parent to get it without her help. All the necessary proofs are available to him without needing her. But his kids can't.

clearedfortakeoff · 13/12/2020 18:07

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'The negativity on this thread has done for me.'

Yes the teeth gnashing and wailing is deafening. This challenging year hasn't taught some people any resilience sadly.

It's not a lack of resilience actually. You're using the word incorrectly.

It's a lack of tolerance to hypocritical selfish behaviour.

jasjas1973 · 13/12/2020 18:08

Applesonthelawn But if the majority in your constituency don't share your view, then your opinion, ideas etc in FPTP, count for nothing.

Johnson/Tories have 4 more years, he can do a hell of alot before you get your say again and rights once removed are rarely re introduced.

Applesonthelawn · 13/12/2020 18:09

has the person or thing I voted for won, not once.
That can only be because you held a minority view.

Applesonthelawn · 13/12/2020 18:11

But if the majority in your constituency don't share your view, then your opinion, ideas etc in FPTP, count for nothing.
Your problem is with FPTP then. An entirely separate discussion.

Applesonthelawn · 13/12/2020 18:13

Johnson/Tories have 4 more years, he can do a hell of alot before you get your say again and rights once removed are rarely re introduced.
Do you honestly think the public would not hold them to account at the next election? They know that and consider it in every action they take. You choose not to believe it because it's not the life you think would have served you better, but you are (presumably) not making the decision for the majority.

jasjas1973 · 13/12/2020 18:15

@Applesonthelawn

But if the majority in your constituency don't share your view, then your opinion, ideas etc in FPTP, count for nothing. Your problem is with FPTP then. An entirely separate discussion.
But that is the flaw in your argument, you will not get a shred more democracy post brexit. You will still be voting for the same MPs and parties as before and they will be as unaccountable as ever, full of the same excuses and lies as they always were, nothing will change in that regard but you will lose the min standards (on worker rights etc) set by the eu
FastMovingLuxuryGoods · 13/12/2020 18:17

I sincerely hope that the public will hold them to account (ideally long before the next election but I know that's unlikely).

But I have lived in this country for almost 50 years and I know what short memories much of the electorate appear to have.

I have no doubt that the Tories will win again in 2024. DH and I have already decided we will be moving to Scotland when that happens.