to think 'Fuck em, if you want No Deal Brexit so hard, then enjoy it' and fuck you if it turns out shit for you

[chomalungma]

I am past caring now.
I feel for people who didn't want Brexit. Who know all the implications and can see the issues that are coming.

But if you want No Deal Brexit and it fucks you up, tough shit.

You wanted it. You get it. You own it.

And pardon me if I don't give a shit anymore about you.

We come up with a perfect business idea yesterday during dinner with our teen son.
We should make a huge floating greenhouse where we grow tomatoes and dock from time to time where we offer customers to come on board and pick their own tomatoes*. So if you are quick enough and secure your place by the time we toe the floating greenhouse from Aberdeen to Blackpool, you will have nice tomatoes.

There might be an issue if we go too far from the shores that we might end up in int'l waters, but in that case we'll look up WTO tariffs on the fly and it won't be that bad, surely... And we'll try not to do that.

*It could also be viewed as family day trip with built in exercise! If you want to exercise more we offer option to swim out to us instead of using our boat/pontoon bridge! Nothing more invigorating that a swim in the ocean!

@TheSunIsStillShining

We come up with a perfect business idea yesterday during dinner with our teen son. We should make a huge floating greenhouse where we grow tomatoes and dock from time to time where we offer customers to come on board and pick their own tomatoes*. So if you are quick enough and secure your place by the time we toe the floating greenhouse from Aberdeen to Blackpool, you will have nice tomatoes.

There might be an issue if we go too far from the shores that we might end up in int'l waters, but in that case we'll look up WTO tariffs on the fly and it won't be that bad, surely... And we'll try not to do that.

*It could also be viewed as family day trip with built in exercise! If you want to exercise more we offer option to swim out to us instead of using our boat/pontoon bridge! Nothing more invigorating that a swim in the ocean!

Is that meant to be funny? You laugh at people investing in their food growing businesses? I hate Brexit but I have no time for this type of sneering. I have more in common with European food growers than people like you.

@chomalungma
Personally I'm screwed. I don't like/or tolerate most traditional british stuff like fish, lamb, root veggies,....
but that is very personal I know. Still the DM can stuff it in general.

@MrsMiaWallis

Tomatoes grow very successfully in polytunnels in the UK without any heating

They absolutely do. Not sure why people think we've suddenly become Finland

Not on commercial scales though:

All commercially significant quantities of tomatoes produced in the UK are grown in glasshouses.

It’s not negativity - it’s fact.

www.britishtomatoes.co.uk/environment/green-credentials/

Pretty much what the DM is encouraging people to do.

Eat fish from the UK - the British don't eat the fish and shellfish that is caught locally. This catch is sold to the EU, so perhaps it's not such a good idea to be alienating the biggest market for your fish. Most of cod eaten in the UK comes from Iceland and Norway. Many people are old enough to remember that school textbooks taught us that Hull and Grimsby have thousands of trawlers (which indeed they had in the 1950s). Number of distant-sea trawlers registered in Hull today? - five.

Go on holiday in the UK - plenty of opportunity here, provided the hospitality industry can replace all of the Europeans that currently work in the hotels.

Eat UK grown food - one more time: The UK has not been self-sufficient for over 200 years. There is not the land or the climate to grow very much of what the UK eats, whether this is food directly consumed by the people or food grown to feed the animals that the people then eat.

Buy UK cars - other than a few very small producers, there are no 'British' cars. Almost all cars sold in the UK are imported, or assembled from parts imported from the EU and elsewhere. The major car companies are all foreign-owned. Brexit, with or without a Deal, will make cars and parts far more expensive.

@MrsMiaWallis

We might be able to grow stuff, but will it be stuff that ppl want to eat? In a first world country coming to a point where you eat things because that's all you have is quite a low bar

Huh? We have the perfect climate to grow most veg at least!

Remember though that gardens are not as big as the days when people needed to grow their own produce. Can you actually imagine how those in flats or small new build gardens would cope?

@derxa
I have no idea what you are offended about. This is a lighthearted joke. This has nothing to do with actual agriculture of farmers. I don't think any farmer would be as stupid as this.

The idea came from someone on twitter saying that we have some unused platforms up North in the see and we could you those as greenhouses. The absurdity got us thinking and putting a twist on it.

derxa must you always be so thin-skinned?
Many people are feeling absolutely desperate today, a bit of black humour is about the only thing keeping me going.

I couldnt revel in anyone's suffering. Takes all sorts though I suppose OP.

[quote TheSunIsStillShining]@derxa
I have no idea what you are offended about. This is a lighthearted joke. This has nothing to do with actual agriculture of farmers. I don't think any farmer would be as stupid as this.

The idea came from someone on twitter saying that we have some unused platforms up North in the see and we could you those as greenhouses. The absurdity got us thinking and putting a twist on it.[/quote]
Hilarious

We all voted remain in our family both Tories, Greens everyone - all remain, young and old, north and south.

However we are where we are and we have to do the best with what we have. If we cannot do this final deal the that is it - we will just have to manage the best we can.
I grew up in part before we joined the EU and remember the referendum after we had joined asking if we wanted to leave - the vote then was to stay in.
However I don't think we will be returning to 1970s food, when my mother was ahead of her time for discovering avocado and other plants you could not get nor grow in the UK.

..and my 1970s I suppose I mean 1960s.... we were in the EU most of the 1970s

I meant commercially Xnon

I can and do grow most of my own veg, but of course I realise this isn't possible for many

Well - hydroponics is the way to go with growing stuff.
You could use the tide and wind to generate the energy.

Have it off shore - maybe in the High Waters - then travel around the world trading.

@lifestooshort123

*It’s much cheaper to produce tomatoes in warmer Mediterranean climates. No deal import tariffs will be between 8.8% and 14.4% depending on the season - whether this will be enough to make UK tomatoes competitive, given the heating, CO2 and labour costs involved, remains to be seen.*

Tomatoes grow very successfully in polytunnels in the UK without any heating.

The negativity on this thread has done for me.

Yes they do but only in late spring summer and if you get poor weather you get blight and mildew, you really do need a heating system to ensure reliable cropping. English Toms are very nice though.

I live in the Tamar Valley, there were numerous tomato growers in the 70s and 80s all went because they needed very expensive heating to be able to compete with tomatoes grown in sunnier climes.

The dutch will still export to the UK but they will be a more expensive product with shorter shelf life.

Will this mean that one grower who has recently got planning for 30 houses on their former greenhouse site will bin that and grow toms instead is anyone's guess :)

@chomalungma

Well - hydroponics is the way to go with growing stuff. You could use the tide and wind to generate the energy.

Have it off shore - maybe in the High Waters - then travel around the world trading.

I also pitched this as part of the idea :) My engineer husband unfortunately pointed out some massive structural issues. So we need to remain close to the shores. But at least it would save us from having to look at different WTO rules :)

And let's be fair Scottish shoreline is magnificent!

@frumpety

I do wonder whether there is a bit of theatre involved in all this last minute stuff ? The dealine is the 31st of December. Pretend everyone has given up on a deal and then compromise for a deal at the last minute, do it in the holidays and will the UK public take much notice of the details ? or care ? Tell someone on NYE that the EU wanted a 10 year extension on fishing in UK waters, we offered 3 initially and we have compromised at 6, I imagine they would be a bit Meh ! pass me the nibbles.

Non of the sticking points are insurmountable, all have enough wiggle room to allow a deal to be made, should both sides be willing. Does the UK Government want no deal, is that their prefered option ?

Everything with this government is a pantomime.

From Test and Trace that traces precisely nobody, to Dominic Cummings photo opportunity with a box.

I think this current gunboat diplomacy is a Linch and Judy performance for the "National Front" types that like that sort of thing, and whose ideological blind spots prevent them from recognising that it's obvious bollocks.

No sane Prime Minister would want to go down in the history books as the one who brought No Deal chaos down on his own country.

So they're giving the plebs a bit of entertainment before the inevitable shit deal or further extension followed by a shit deal.

btw, I love the "buy local" argument in London. I buy totally local: greengrocer 2 mins away, butcher 5 mins.
Many are so proud of similar achievements. But they forget to think one step ahead: what they are buying comes from....? :)

I don't think buy local means buy from your local corner shop does it?!

If I buy local it's meat fruit and veg produced locally. But I'm in the countryside where this is easy.

I gather Cornwall’s a bit miffed that they’re not now going to have the funds they were promised to replace the EU money. But hey, Cornwall voted Leave.

Lots of people down here still labour under the delusion that the govt will prop them up. Totally disregarding the simple fact that no Tory govt (or labour to be fair) has ever done anything to help the poor areas of the SW. The amount of money that the EU has given this region over the years has allowed real change and innovation to happen here. The future is much bleaker.

But hey, the fishing industry and the quotas we sold years ago will prop,up Cornwall for years to come.

Yes, we could grow a lot more locally - when I moved to Oxfordshire 40 odd years ago my area was surrounded by large numbers of fruit farms. All gone now. Why? I know that one grower gave up when a couple of years of late frosts in succession wrecked his business. He could have survived one year, but not two. I don't know but I imagine that the others fared similarly.

Locally my nearest village used to support 5 farms after the war. It now supports two and neither can make a living solely from agriculture - so it's holiday lets and boot sales supplementing their income. One of which was wrecked by Covid - holiday lets may have held up. Additionally the local farm is due to lose its turkey and geese fattening fields to overspill housing.

So where are we going to grow things and who is going to work the land?

And none of this will happen with Johnson blathering on about 'World beating' this and 'global' that. It will take planning and investment - which Johnson's Government does not appear to have shown any ability for.

Eat fish from the UK
Go on holiday in the UK
Eat UK grown food
Buy UK cars

Any reason why we couldn't choose to do any of that while in the EU?

@MrsMiaWallis

I don't think buy local means buy from your local corner shop does it?!

If I buy local it's meat fruit and veg produced locally. But I'm in the countryside where this is easy.

When I say lots of people say this I meant that I've heard numerous ppl talking about it proudly whilst selecting their avocado :)

Workerbee80
I voted leave then got my Irish passport sorted for myself and family, so I'll be absolutely fine OP This has to be one of the most selfish posts I've read on Mumsnet.
I hope your not planning on free moving to Ireland we'll be most likely in recession dragged down with the UK.