to think 'Fuck em, if you want No Deal Brexit so hard, then enjoy it' and fuck you if it turns out shit for you

[chomalungma]

I am past caring now.
I feel for people who didn't want Brexit. Who know all the implications and can see the issues that are coming.

But if you want No Deal Brexit and it fucks you up, tough shit.

You wanted it. You get it. You own it.

And pardon me if I don't give a shit anymore about you.

'I'd be wary of actually believing this statement, but it's sunday and won't go looking for facts. Anyone wants to fact check? Re: tomatoes: please use your brains and logic. It is not as simple as "Egypt will ramp up it's production" - plants need water. With the increase you are suggesting it is an actual issue in an African country.'

Oh unclench fgs. It was an example that countries are more than able to increase production if demand is there and yes I do believe Egypt has a plentiful supply of water. Are you getting your countries mixed up?

@Workerbee80

Irish citizenship is something that I was born with regardless of when I applied for the passport. My dad was Irish so citizenship is automatic. I am also a British citizen, who chose to vote leave and would have done so even if I wasn't an Irish citizen. Should I have voted against my beliefs because I have Irish citizenship?

If your principles are any good you wont use that passport to your advantage. You'll go through the UK channels at the airport.

But I bet you won't will you Miss Principled?!

@Paddingtonjuice

I voted leave. I genuinely wish I could discuss it with people on here and in real life without people sneering and purposely not understanding the social class dynamics that came with this vote.

I entirely understand the 'social class dynamic'.

That'd be the one where a large swathe of people allowed themselves to be duped into believing their circumstance was the fault of the nasty EU, not successive right wing British governments.

Six months prior to the referendum, I believe, when asked, 6% of respondents put 'The EU' as being their chief political concern.

@TheSunIsStillShining

There is no reason why some of the fruit and veg we presently import from the EU can't be grown in the UK in greater quantities than now or sourced elsewhere. Tomatoes, for example, are also imported from Morocco and Egypt so not dependent on EU countries

Have you ever tried to grow anything?
You cannot grow eg tomatoes just out on the field in this country. Weather, amount of sunlight is just not sufficient. You can grow many things in a greenhouse, but the quality will be different and the production cost is much bigger. Also greenhouse plants are more susceptible to disease which you need to factor into production quantity.

That is one problem. The other is the infrastructure. There are no massive greenhouse production plants in the UK.

1. they need to be built
2. workers need to be trained
3. plants need time to actually grow

It takes years to set up this kind of operation. So whilst hypothetically a lot of fruit and veg could be grown, reality is that we are left with potatoes, root veggies and apples. and blueberries or seasonal blackberries.

But it begs the question: who will pick them? fruit picker workers -as far as I know- have been very low paid EU workers as many british see it as beyond them... Or simply don't live rural enough to do it. I don't know....
Picking blackberries is a nightmare as they have thorns (the bloody bastards :))

Not on any side here but we used to grow a lot of tomatoes here in the Clyde Valley in Lanarkshire. Then it became uneconomic.

yes I do believe Egypt has a plentiful supply of water.

They are a dry country with one large river. God only knows the environmental destruction if they have to channel vast amounts of that to supply the Brits with fucking tomatoes.

Well brexit is clearly going to cost a lot in terms of environmental damage - Just by virtue of turning our backs on our neighbours!

'They are a dry country with one large river. God only knows the environmental destruction if they have to channel vast amounts of that to supply the Brits with fucking tomatoes.'

For the second time it was one example of how supply and demand will reshuffled. You flappers won't be living on chickpeas for the rest of your lives.

‘They are a dry country with one large river. God only knows the environmental destruction if they have to channel vast amounts of that to supply the Brits with fucking tomatoes.’

Plus the inevitable wars both civil and with neighbouring countries when they divert water for U.K. bound tomatoes. When their people try to come to the U.K. as refugees as a result, they’ll be treated as invaders.

Irish citizenship is something that I was born with regardless of when I applied for the passport. My dad was Irish so citizenship is automatic. I am also a British citizen, who chose to vote leave and would have done so even if I wasn't an Irish citizen. Should I have voted against my beliefs because I have Irish citizenship?

What are those beliefs? That you can hypocritically take advantage of your EU citizenship and gloat about doing so while voting to deprive others of that same citizenship?

Just because you were born a dual national doesn't mean you are not behaving like a hypocrite.

Mine tote Batters, NFU president, has just been on Desert Island Discs. One statistic she mentioned was that the UK produces 15% of the fruit and 52% of the veg we consume. That leaves a hell of a gap to fill. As pp said, I think the fruit and veg we import from, say, Morocco and Ecuador, may be imported via the EU, so we’ll need trade deals to import direct.

I’ve been fairly pragmatic regarding Brexit (although a rabid remainer), but am feeling increasingly rather weepy this weekend. The only person I know who admits to voting leave is a racist and has no understanding of the trade/economics involved - ‘ well we’ll just eat our own beef/lamb/fish etc etc.’

Minette Batters

It's not a fact of "living off chickpeas for the rest our lives". It's about:

1. why inflict a wound when it is absolutely unnecessary?
2. Obviously things grow here and outside the EU but at what cost? Both actual cost and env cost? For no good reason but to please a few hundred -at max- people who don't like taxes and want to avoid them at all costs.

And for the later millions will be worse off for a period/forever, millions are stripped of opportunities.
But yeah, keep dreaming that Egypt will suddenly ramp up their export produce production and in Jan we will just switch to ordering from them and everything will be all right.

@derxa
I didn't know that. btw: when you say uneconomic do you mean in economic terms or too much work to maintain good quality? just curious

@GetOffYourHighHorse You know that post was in response to your condescending and incorrect comment that perhaps the poster had mixed their countries up, so no need to follow up with another patronising comment.

Oh unclench fgs. It was an example that countries are more than able to increase production if demand is there and yes I do believe Egypt has a plentiful supply of water. Are you getting your countries mixed up?

Typical brexiter argument strategy. Throw out an example that you believe shows that a remainer's fears are unfounded and when pulled up on it claim it was just illustrative or that they are getting into details.

It was your example so own it.

And no, Egypt doesn't have "plenty of water" water resources have always been a major issue in the country going back thousands of years. A growing population is putting modern Egypt's water resources in significant stress. Taking on the supply of the UK's tomatoes and soft fruit from the Netherlands would significantly add to that.

Sourcing food is an important issue and a no deal brexit is acknowledged by all sector experts and analysis to be a major challenge to supply chains. You can't just magic up supplies from the developing world.

Given how I referenced that Egypt is an African country I just put it down to comprehension issues if someone actually comes back with that question. :)

Those leavers who still have FoM after voting leave are leeches. Nothing else.

Unprincipled hypocrites.

For the second time it was one example of how supply and demand will reshuffled.

Which was completely incorrect and founded on your own ignorance.

So given that, why should we believe you that this demand reshuffling will work?

@Eleganz
I think we forget that many people have no idea about where food really comes from and how it's "made".
Many think that food grows on the shelves of TEsco/Asda/Waitrose,....
For these people to comprehend the complex logistics and supply chain management issues is not an option.

'why inflict a wound when it is absolutely unnecessary?'

Exactly! You would think the EU would understand a free trade deal is in everyone's best interests and stop sulking wouldn't you. At least Liz Truss is doing a sterling job 'ramping up' trade deals globally. The msm hardly mention that strangely.

We are all going to suffer to some extent or other. Those ignorant and deluded people who voted Leave have a nerve to whine.

@Workerbee80
“For freedom of movement for myself and children. Only benefit of being in the EU. If the OP wants to be arsey and wish ill on millions of people for how they voted then I'm perfectly entitled to be arsey back.”

It’s a classic I'm alright, Jack.

That’s fine. If it were a game of strategy then congratulations you hedged your bets and played well to have your cake and eat it. But this is real life and real peoples lives, so worth being mindful of that.

But it begs the question: who will pick them? fruit picker workers -as far as I know- have been very low paid EU workers as many british see it as beyond them... Or simply don't live rural enough to do it. I don't know....

And with an aging population - many are too old and not fit enough to do so. It's a young persons job.

Exactly! You would think the EU would understand a free trade deal is in everyone's best interests and stop sulking wouldn't you.

It is interesting that the EU by mirroring our behaviour in drawing red lines and refusing to accept what they see as a bad deal for them is what you consider "sulking".

The EU want something more for their free trade deal otherwise it isn't worth the political cost to them, no different to Boris.

@derxa I didn't know that. btw: when you say uneconomic do you mean in economic terms or too much work to maintain good quality? just curious uneconomic. The tomatoes themselves were lovely and full of flavour.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-22516609

At least Liz Truss is doing a sterling job 'ramping up' trade deals globally. The msm hardly mention that strangely

They mention trade deals.

How many of them are better than the ones that we already had with those countries when we were part of the EU?

We have rolled over a lot

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47213842

How does the UK -Japan deal compare to the EU-Japan deal that was done last year?