to think 'Fuck em, if you want No Deal Brexit so hard, then enjoy it' and fuck you if it turns out shit for you

[chomalungma]

I am past caring now.
I feel for people who didn't want Brexit. Who know all the implications and can see the issues that are coming.

But if you want No Deal Brexit and it fucks you up, tough shit.

You wanted it. You get it. You own it.

And pardon me if I don't give a shit anymore about you.

For freedom of movement for myself and children. Only benefit of being in the EU. If the OP wants to be arsey and wish ill on millions of people for how they voted then I'm perfectly entitled to be arsey back.

You are a giant, stinking hypocrite.

There is no reason why some of the fruit and veg we presently import from the EU can't be grown in the UK in greater quantities than now or sourced elsewhere. Tomatoes, for example, are also imported from Morocco and Egypt so not dependent on EU countries www.worldstopexports.com/international-markets-for-imported-tomatoes-by-country/

@Eleganz

For freedom of movement for myself and children. Only benefit of being in the EU. If the OP wants to be arsey and wish ill on millions of people for how they voted then I'm perfectly entitled to be arsey back.

You are a giant, stinking hypocrite.

I would have voted leave even if I didn't have the Irish passport. Not my fault I have dual citizenship, get over it.

I would have voted leave even if I didn't have the Irish passport. Not my fault I have dual citizenship, get over it.

Nope sorry, that isn't going to stop you being, by your own earlier admissions, a huge hypocrite.

You have got an Irish passport to gain rights to free movement you have voted to strip from other people. That is it. There is no gloss or film flam you can layer over it to pretend it is something else.

@Workerbee80 you have or you applied for an Irish passport and therefore reap all the benefits of FoM that you voted to take away from the British people?

If you were true to your principles, you would give up your EU passport.

But because you have no principles and are spiteful enough to remove other people's EU citizenship, you won't.

Repellant and repulsive behaviour.

[quote lifestooshort123]There is no reason why some of the fruit and veg we presently import from the EU can't be grown in the UK in greater quantities than now or sourced elsewhere. Tomatoes, for example, are also imported from Morocco and Egypt so not dependent on EU countries www.worldstopexports.com/international-markets-for-imported-tomatoes-by-country/[/quote]
And of course there are plenty of people in this country just waiting for jobs harvesting fruit and vegetables.

@Workerbee80 plus your gleefully declaring you will be alright because you have this Irish passport.

Why will you be alright? Do you think the rest of the UK's citizens won't be alright because they now don't have EU passports?

They won't be alright because of something you voted for?

What a nasty piece of work you are.

[quote lifestooshort123]There is no reason why some of the fruit and veg we presently import from the EU can't be grown in the UK in greater quantities than now or sourced elsewhere. Tomatoes, for example, are also imported from Morocco and Egypt so not dependent on EU countries www.worldstopexports.com/international-markets-for-imported-tomatoes-by-country/[/quote]
Correct me if I'm wrong but are those not imported under a deal between the EU and those countries? Would we have not have to renegotiate a new UK-Egypt/Morocco deal with those countries?

Having an Irish passport won't give you immunity from the tariffs that are imposed and the bureaucracy that businesses face.

Unless you leave this country,

Would we have not have to renegotiate a new UK-Egypt/Morocco deal with those countries

We are going to have to do a lot of new deals.
I wonder how many of these amazing new deals that have been announced are simply the same deal that we had before with them when we were in the EU.

And how many are worse than the current deals we had with those countries when we were in the EU.

Of course, some could be better...

@Workerbee80

I'll give you an example. I visit businesses for work, this is one I met.
Warehouse, sales and distribution company.
The company imports only one particular product, produced outside of the EU by the parent company. Product is imported to the UK, warehoused sold and distributed from here. 88% of sales are to the EU, only 12% remain in the UK. The workforce is split 50/50 office workers and warehouse workers about 150 people in total. The office staff are all British (apart from the MD). The warehouse staff are 50/50 British and EU. So as a whole the workforce are 75% British. Let's imagine they follow the national voting pattern, about one third voted Remain, one third voted Leave and one third didn't vote (the MD told me lots voted Leave) . Anyway, because of Brexit business has moved to the Netherlands, it would be completely unsustainable here given 88% of product goes to EU, this would have be obvious to anyone with have a brain. Everyone has lost their job (apart from MD and a good number of the EU warehouse staff (with their FOM rights) who moved with the business to the Netherlands)

Now, why should I feel sorry for the British staff who freely chose to vote themselves and their colleagues out of the job?

Just to add, FPTP means last year's election was hardly a ringing endorsement of the Leave vote. 52% of votes went to parties who were standing on a pro-second referendum platform.

Irish citizenship is something that I was born with regardless of when I applied for the passport. My dad was Irish so citizenship is automatic. I am also a British citizen, who chose to vote leave and would have done so even if I wasn't an Irish citizen. Should I have voted against my beliefs because I have Irish citizenship?

There is no reason why some of the fruit and veg we presently import from the EU can't be grown in the UK in greater quantities than now or sourced elsewhere. Tomatoes, for example, are also imported from Morocco and Egypt so not dependent on EU countries

The UK has not been self-sufficient in food for over 200 years. During WW2, when every square inch of spare land was given over to food production, the population was on a weekly ration that was barely more than many people currently consume in a day. Since 1945, although crop yields have increased, the amount of land available has been vastly reduced. Where there once were green fields there are now New Towns, ticky-tacky Wimpy housing estates, Amazon warehouses, out-of-town shopping centres and industrial estates.

The UK can import tomatoes from many countries, but is hugely dependent on the EU countries. From you own link, the UK imported tomatoes worth $544 million from other EU countries - and only $263,000 from Egypt. It is folly to suggest that countries like Egypt could ramp up production from a quarter of a million dollars-worth to $554 million-worth.

@Havanananana

There is no reason why some of the fruit and veg we presently import from the EU can't be grown in the UK in greater quantities than now or sourced elsewhere. Tomatoes, for example, are also imported from Morocco and Egypt so not dependent on EU countries

The UK has not been self-sufficient in food for over 200 years. During WW2, when every square inch of spare land was given over to food production, the population was on a weekly ration that was barely more than many people currently consume in a day. Since 1945, although crop yields have increased, the amount of land available has been vastly reduced. Where there once were green fields there are now New Towns, ticky-tacky Wimpy housing estates, Amazon warehouses, out-of-town shopping centres and industrial estates.

The UK can import tomatoes from many countries, but is hugely dependent on the EU countries. From you own link, the UK imported tomatoes worth $544 million from other EU countries - and only $263,000 from Egypt. It is folly to suggest that countries like Egypt could ramp up production from a quarter of a million dollars-worth to $554 million-worth.

Well stated. I don't know how people delude themselves.

@Workerbee80

Irish citizenship is something that I was born with regardless of when I applied for the passport. My dad was Irish so citizenship is automatic. I am also a British citizen, who chose to vote leave and would have done so even if I wasn't an Irish citizen. Should I have voted against my beliefs because I have Irish citizenship?

You should live with the same outcome you were willing to inflict on fellow citizens who don't have alternatives.

[quote KenDodd]**@Workerbee80

I'll give you an example. I visit businesses for work, this is one I met.
Warehouse, sales and distribution company.
The company imports only one particular product, produced outside of the EU by the parent company. Product is imported to the UK, warehoused sold and distributed from here. 88% of sales are to the EU, only 12% remain in the UK. The workforce is split 50/50 office workers and warehouse workers about 150 people in total. The office staff are all British (apart from the MD). The warehouse staff are 50/50 British and EU. So as a whole the workforce are 75% British. Let's imagine they follow the national voting pattern, about one third voted Remain, one third voted Leave and one third didn't vote (the MD told me lots voted Leave) . Anyway, because of Brexit business has moved to the Netherlands, it would be completely unsustainable here given 88% of product goes to EU, this would have be obvious to anyone with have a brain. Everyone has lost their job (apart from MD and a good number of the EU warehouse staff (with their FOM rights) who moved with the business to the Netherlands)

Now, why should I feel sorry for the British staff who freely chose to vote themselves and their colleagues out of the job?[/quote]

Exactly. They brought this upon themselves.

Sick to death of the cliche that all remainers sneer, while leavers are decent, kindly, salt of the earth folk.

Leave was spectacularly unmagnanimous in victory. Where were the DM articles seeking to understand the concerns of remainers echoing the deluge of guardian pieces empathising with leavers' issues? Why was any sort of soft Brexit which - given the result should have been an obvious consideration - immediately dismissed? Did I just imagine trolls flooding onto forums to go on about 'bathing in remainers' tears'?

There also comes a time when a stupid or poorly thought out argument has to be called out as such. Ive come to the conclusion that the thin-skinned types who get so upset when their arguments are pulled apart as daft wouldn't listen to a different approach anyway.

This democracy thing is a real bugger !

'It is folly to suggest that countries like Egypt could ramp up production from a quarter of a million dollars-worth to $554 million-worth.'

Folly .

Who knows! those outside the EU may be seeing this massive opportunity to increase trade. If the UK for example can go from a minute ppe production to now 70% of it is domestic then I'm sure other places are more than able to 'ramp up' production.

@Pyewhacket

This democracy thing is a real bugger !

People voted for this. If they get stuffed, then tough shit. Democracy in action.

There is no reason why some of the fruit and veg we presently import from the EU can't be grown in the UK in greater quantities than now or sourced elsewhere. Tomatoes, for example, are also imported from Morocco and Egypt so not dependent on EU countries

Have you ever tried to grow anything?
You cannot grow eg tomatoes just out on the field in this country. Weather, amount of sunlight is just not sufficient. You can grow many things in a greenhouse, but the quality will be different and the production cost is much bigger. Also greenhouse plants are more susceptible to disease which you need to factor into production quantity.

That is one problem. The other is the infrastructure. There are no massive greenhouse production plants in the UK.

1. they need to be built
2. workers need to be trained
3. plants need time to actually grow

It takes years to set up this kind of operation. So whilst hypothetically a lot of fruit and veg could be grown, reality is that we are left with potatoes, root veggies and apples. and blueberries or seasonal blackberries.

But it begs the question: who will pick them? fruit picker workers -as far as I know- have been very low paid EU workers as many british see it as beyond them... Or simply don't live rural enough to do it. I don't know....
Picking blackberries is a nightmare as they have thorns (the bloody bastards :))

And at a time when we are meant to be cutting down on carbon emissions yes, it is folly to say "let's get our food from even further away". What an opportunity.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'It is folly to suggest that countries like Egypt could ramp up production from a quarter of a million dollars-worth to $554 million-worth.'

Folly .

Who knows! those outside the EU may be seeing this massive opportunity to increase trade. If the UK for example can go from a minute ppe production to now 70% of it is domestic then I'm sure other places are more than able to 'ramp up' production.

I'd be wary of actually believing this statement, but it's sunday and won't go looking for facts. Anyone wants to fact check?

Re: tomatoes: please use your brains and logic. It is not as simple as "Egypt will ramp up it's production"

• plants need water. With the increase you are suggesting it is an actual issue in an African country.
• plants need time. It's not like any country can speed grow plants. And I doubt that many would even start planting new seeds until there is a signed contract. I also doubt that they would do it in good faith. This gov proved that with them there is no such things and that they are even willing to break international law if they please.