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to think 'Fuck em, if you want No Deal Brexit so hard, then enjoy it' and fuck you if it turns out shit for you

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chomalungma · 11/12/2020 19:04

I am past caring now.
I feel for people who didn't want Brexit. Who know all the implications and can see the issues that are coming.

But if you want No Deal Brexit and it fucks you up, tough shit.

You wanted it. You get it. You own it.

And pardon me if I don't give a shit anymore about you.

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frumpety · 13/12/2020 08:17

I also don't think the vast majority of us care enough about the sticking points in the negotiations to be overly bothered if they do reach a compromise and a deal is made.
We have been told we care, or that we should care, but in reality if the UK compromises with the EU and reaches a deal, how will those compromises effect our everyday lives ? I can't think how they will have a negative impact on mine ?

frumpety · 13/12/2020 08:20

It’s not this, we have already agreed no regression, we won’t go back and change our laws like that.

Who is the 'we' ? Bluntness100

Iggly · 13/12/2020 08:20

We are a net importer of goods, we rely heavily on products from the eu. Which means the eu relies on selling to us, they don’t want to damage that with tariffs as it will cost their own businesses dearly

This is false logic.

You assume that the EU mainly exports to the UK and we are it’s biggest customer? The EU is a massive trading bloc and we are a small country in comparison?

Obviously the EU wants to do a trade deal but the terms are not going to be special because we are spesh. We aren’t.

KinseyWinsey · 13/12/2020 08:21

@aketman spot on.

Leavers is desperate to blame everyone else when they were warned over and over and over that this would be an utter shitshow.

And they called it Project Fear.

Did i hear on the radio this morning about there being a shortage of fresh fruit and vegetables for three months in the UK next year?

It's is a joke.

And there will be those who claim that this is still what they voted for because they can never ever admit they were wrong.

WhyDoYouAsk · 13/12/2020 08:22

Workerbee80
I voted leave then got my Irish passport sorted for myself and family, so I'll be absolutely fine OP.

Why?

If you voted for your country to leave the EU why did you immediately get a passport in order to personally remain part of it?

I’m guessing you don’t even know yourself.

I can’t even begin to describe how much contempt I feel for people like you.

YardleyX · 13/12/2020 08:25

GrinGrinGrin

Lots of laughs at strongly opinionated OP, seemingly unaware that he/she is one of the leave campaigns biggest triumphs.

People like this drive huge numbers to vote leave.

And as the final result was so close, I’d imagine without this attitude in the ‘remain’ camp, they very much would have won!

Europilgrim · 13/12/2020 08:28

I’m guessing you don’t even know yourself.
No I'm guessing it's more "I like the idea in theory but only for other people, not for myself". Very prevalent opinion. See also the number of high profile Leavers who did the same for their families.

WhyDoYouAsk · 13/12/2020 08:31

Europilgrim

You’re right.

jasjas1973 · 13/12/2020 08:34

We are a net importer of goods, we rely heavily on products from the eu. Which means the eu relies on selling to us, they don’t want to damage that with tariffs as it will cost their own businesses dearly

The EU is not a country, individually, each member state does little trade with the EU and it won't all stop either, we have no alternative to cars vans machinery etc etc or indeed food, it will just become more expensive, they'll be delays or in the case of vehicles, lower spec for the same price.

No trade deal is worst case for everyone, so why would you prefer that over a compromise

That applies equally to the UK as to the EU.

KinseyWinsey · 13/12/2020 08:38

@Yardley is a shortage of fresh fruit and vegetable next year also one of Leave's greatest triumphs? 😁

There are no triumphs. It's utterly pitiful how many suckers there are out there.

Havanananana · 13/12/2020 08:41

We are a net importer of goods, we rely heavily on products from the eu. Which means the eu relies on selling to us, they don’t want to damage that with tariffs as it will cost their own businesses dearly.

The two statements don't necessarily follow. The UK relies heavily on the EU for about half of the food consumed, but the EU does not export half of its food production to the UK and so is not reliant on the UK market to anything like the same extent.

For most industrial and agricultural products, UK sales account for single figures - refuting the claim that 'they need us more than we need them'. VW sells approx. 10 million vehicles worldwide - only 250,000 of which are sold in the UK, so less than 3%. The figures are similar for the other car manufacturers, for EU food producers and for a whole range of products.

As for damaging EU businesses, although they will be impacted it is the British consumer that will be footing the bill. Taking cars as an example, every Ford, Citroen, Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Skoda, VW, Fiat and Dacia sold in the UK comes from the EU. Toyota, Kia, Hyundai, Mitsubishi and Jeep are also built in the EU for sale in the UK. All will cost 10% more after Brexit, as will the spare parts when they need repairing. The British consumer could buy a 'British' car, but these too will be more expensive as most of the parts come from the EU, and by 2022 there might not be a British car industry. Honda are already leaving. Nissan are getting nervous and can easily move to Renault in France or Dacia in Romania. JLR already have a new $1bn factory in Slovakia. BMW already make Minis in Austria and the Netherlands.

The same situation exists for exports. I'll let Theresa May explain:

In a stand-off between Britain and the EU, 44 per cent of our exports is more important to us than eight per cent of the EU’s exports is to them. The economic arguments are clear. Being part of a 500-million trading bloc is significant for us. One of the issues is that a lot of people will invest here in the UK because it is the UK in Europe.” ‘

“The reality is that we do not know on what terms we would win access to the single market. We do know that in a negotiation we would need to make concessions in order to access it, and those concessions could well be about accepting EU regulations, over which we would have no say, making financial contributions, just as we do now, accepting free movement rules, just as we do now, or quite possibly all three combined. It is not clear why other EU member states would give Britain a better deal than they themselves enjoy.”

YardleyX · 13/12/2020 08:54

KinseyWinsey - think you have misunderstood my comment.

I’m not suggesting that there are any triumphs about leaving.

I’m suggesting that attitudes like the OP drove huge numbers of people to vote leave, hence one of the big triumphs of the leave campaign.

frumpety · 13/12/2020 08:59

Havanananana

Is that from the same speech where she also explained that every single trade deal, with whomever and whenever, requires a loss of sovereignty ?

frumpety · 13/12/2020 09:02

Surely the biggest Leave triumph is that the UK has left the EU ?

Songsofexperience · 13/12/2020 09:07

I’m not suggesting that there are any triumphs about leaving.

So what's the fucking point then?

chomalungma · 13/12/2020 09:15

I’m suggesting that attitudes like the OP drove huge numbers of people to vote leave, hence one of the big triumphs of the leave campaign

The OP was incredibly supportive of wanting this country to change and to make it better for everyone. I thought austerity and everything that came with it was awful. I knew how bad things were.

Brexit is not going to make things better.. It just makes me stop giving a shit about people who I used to give a shit about.

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Songsofexperience · 13/12/2020 09:19

Brexit is FOR the elite (the 0.001%, not the urban middle class ) and BY the elite.

borntobequiet · 13/12/2020 09:20

I’m suggesting that attitudes like the OP drove huge numbers of people to vote leave, hence one of the big triumphs of the leave campaign.

But the OP’s attitude is her attitude now as a result of the present situation. Did she express a similar attitude before the referendum? We don’t know. Did others? Not as far as I can recall. I told a few people they’d be crazy to vote to leave, but they would have done so whatever anyone said, because .

What I do remember is any attempt at presenting facts in the course of reasoned argument against Brexit being shouted down by Leavers as “Project Fear”.

Eleganz · 13/12/2020 09:27

It’s not this, we have already agreed no regression, we won’t go back and change our laws like that.

That's very trusting. Out of the EU with no deal, parliament is absolutely sovereign. We have a Tory government with an 80 seat majority that has a significant group of MPs that are in favour of low tax, low wages, low regulatory standards, and reduced workers' rights.

Once no deal is announced either later today or tomorrow. I fully expect that they will be picking which bits of regulation then can scrap. They will do this by a combination of falsely claiming their changes achieve equivalency through other means and just using the weasel-worded revisionism they have used so far to gaslight the public into believing that they never promised no regression in the first place.

Eleganz · 13/12/2020 09:28

I should add that this is exactly what no deal is all about and this is what the benefits of brexit are, making rich people richer and reducing their tax bills.

Workerbee80 · 13/12/2020 10:22

[quote KinseyWinsey]@workerbee80 why on earth would you want a passport that makes you part of the organization you wanted to leave?

Bizarre. [/quote]
For freedom of movement for myself and children. Only benefit of being in the EU. If the OP wants to be arsey and wish ill on millions of people for how they voted then I'm perfectly entitled to be arsey back.

KenDodd · 13/12/2020 10:28

It just makes me stop giving a shit about people who I used to give a shit about
I agree.
It's not just 2016, they voted repeatedly to 'get Brexit done' knowing this could see a return to bloodshed and death in NI, and they didn't give a shit. I don't think they deserve my sympathy if all they lose as a consequence of their own freely giving vote if their job and home. I doubt they'd want my sympathy anyway, they knew what they voted for, and chose this path for themselves and the rest of us.

chomalungma · 13/12/2020 10:28

Only benefit of being in the EU. If the OP wants to be arsey and wish ill on millions of people for how they voted then I'm perfectly entitled to be arsey back

Once again, for people who can't read the OP - I am NOT wishing ill on people.

I don't wish ill on turkeys. But if the turkey votes for Christmas, then I have little sympathy if it ends up being stuffed.

Do you see the difference?

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TheSunIsStillShining · 13/12/2020 10:39

For freedom of movement for myself and children. Only benefit of being in the EU. If the OP wants to be arsey and wish ill on millions of people for how they voted then I'm perfectly entitled to be arsey back.

The OP is a much nicer person than me. I do wish ill on you and all your family. Nothing major.

Simply because you want FOM for your children, but by voting leave you strip away those rights from others and you think this is okay.
This is beyond hypocritical. And it's disgusting.

KenDodd · 13/12/2020 10:43

@Workerbee80

Why should the OP feel sorry for people who voted Leave and then lose their livelihoods as a direct result? These people aren't toddlers running across a road or even teenagers self harming. They are thinking grown adults who chose this path for themselves despite repeated opportunities to choose a different one.