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to think 'Fuck em, if you want No Deal Brexit so hard, then enjoy it' and fuck you if it turns out shit for you

999 replies

chomalungma · 11/12/2020 19:04

I am past caring now.
I feel for people who didn't want Brexit. Who know all the implications and can see the issues that are coming.

But if you want No Deal Brexit and it fucks you up, tough shit.

You wanted it. You get it. You own it.

And pardon me if I don't give a shit anymore about you.

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KenDodd · 12/12/2020 11:49

I agree there should have been a much higher bar to get over to make a change of this magnitude. I think the same about Scottish independence.

DioneTheDiabolist · 12/12/2020 11:52

But the United Kingdom was founded in 1801 and the Northern Ireland conflict started in 1960
The conflict had been raging for 100s of years. The Troubles were the latest violent manifestation of this conflict. Not the only one. Brexit has meant that it probably wont be the last. People here are shitting themselves because Brexit has played into the hands of terrorist organisations who will use it to become powerful once again.Sad

KenDodd · 12/12/2020 11:53

And I cant believe people STILL think we will save money because we won't be paying into the EU budget. Bloomberg estimates Brexit has cost us £200 BILLION so far. £200 FUCKING BILLION!

wewillmeetagain · 12/12/2020 11:54

@ZanyPam we will have no choice but to get on with it, it's the obvious outcome. Things might get rocky for a few months but I think they will work themselves out sooner rather than later!

DioneTheDiabolist · 12/12/2020 11:56

The OP is experiencing a bit of schadenfreude at the suffering of Leavers, shes not advocating sending them all to Mancester Airport or anything.Xmas Hmm

YANBU to extract every bit of schadenfreude from this shit show OP.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 12/12/2020 11:56

'The EU are now playing hardball making an example of us because they want to scare other countries within the EU about what will happen if they try and leave! '

Oh @wewillmeetagain such sense in a cesspit of outrage.

The way the EU are refusing to act in everyone's best interests proves we are better out. Sad but true.

ItWasTheBestOfTimes · 12/12/2020 11:56

I agree they never promised to fund the NHS to the tune of an extra 350m a week, but they did promise that we would be better off by that amount. That’s was a lie, Brexit has currently cost us around the same as our total contributions so far, and the annual admin cost of customs etc will exceed our annual contributions. Brexit ha slept the country demonstrably worse off. If anything, they might need to cut the NHS budget as a result of Brexit

giantangryrooster · 12/12/2020 12:00

@rachelbloomfan

I think your post is the most honest reasoning behind a leave vote I have seen on MN. And I think a lot of people voted for the exact same reasons, but fail to admit it now. Kudos to you, I hope things get better for you.

Sorry for your loss Thanks.

ItWasTheBestOfTimes · 12/12/2020 12:00

They are protecting the single market, obviously, you are deluded to think they would do otherwise. Yes they are going to be worse off, but we will fare even worse. It’s lose - lose and all our fault. The offer is, agree to LPF now and if you don’t later you will face tariffs at the point you diverge, or no deal now and face tariffs from day one whether you diverge or not because we can’t trust that you won’t try and undercut us. How is this being unfair? It’s completely understandable.

wewillmeetagain · 12/12/2020 12:01

@GetOffYourHighHorse it seems to me that lots of remainers cannot believe that they didn't get their own way and will scream and scream and scream till they are blue in the face! It is what it is now and we all need to get on with it! Causing more division and hatred is not what is needed now!

TheSunIsStillShining · 12/12/2020 12:02

[quote wewillmeetagain]@ZanyPam we will have no choice but to get on with it, it's the obvious outcome. Things might get rocky for a few months but I think they will work themselves out sooner rather than later![/quote]
Could you pls give us some facts on what you base this on? Apart from hoping, praying, saying mantas and offering goat sacrifices to unknown gods.....

What "things" will sort themselves out? Societal issues? Economical issues? Environmental issues? Standards?
And how will they "work themselves out"?
What evidence do you have that points in that direction?

19 days to go and we don't know even the basic facts of

  1. what will happen
  2. how is gov planning to tackle the issues yet to be named
  3. what immediate/mid-term/long term harm/benefits we are facing

This view is more like a 3 year old hoping that mum won't notice the broken was in the middle of the room and it'll be fine once she does. Childish and irresponsible.

Notonthestairs · 12/12/2020 12:03

There were two slogans relating to the £350 million and the NHS. One said "Let's Give Our NHS the £350 million the EU takes every week".

jonworth.eu/the-two-versions-of-the-350-million-for-the-nhs-slogan/

Peregrina · 12/12/2020 12:03

Why do people harp on about the lies and 350 million promised to the NHS? It was NEVER promised that 350 million would be spent on the NHS it was used as an example of how much we would be saving and what it could be used on!

Because people value the NHS and saw it as a pledge. No matter that the very next day the Leave campaign reneged on that pledge declaring that they didn't say they would spend it on the NHS, just that it could.

And as for democracy, you have got your withdrawal from the EU. How about the Oven Ready Deal. Isn't that what you wanted? How does that equate to No Deal? Is that democracy, doing the opposite of what you voted for/

ItWasTheBestOfTimes · 12/12/2020 12:04

No amount of positive thinking will enable me to adequately feed my ASD daughter wewillmeetagain, who eats a limited diet of mostly fresh imported foods that I might not be able to buy in January.

KinseyWinsey · 12/12/2020 12:05

Nobody but nobody is screaming. That is your fantasy.

Quietly chuckling at the lunacy of it all maybe.

And maybe a snigger at those who thought voting for the unspecified was actually a good idea. 😁

I do though feel very sorry for the children of those who will struggle with buying more expensive foodstuffs.

Such disruption for zero benefit.

Havanananana · 12/12/2020 12:05

Why do people harp on about the lies and 350 million promised to the NHS? It was NEVER promised that 350 million would be spent on the NHS it was used as an example of how much we would be saving and what it could be used on!

But the claim about the savings was itself a lie.

In 2018 the UK paid £13bn into the EU budget but got £4bn back, so the net contribution was about £9bn. For this payment, the UK received (amongst other things) free and frictionless access to the EU market. Less than 40p per person per day for free access to the biggest single market on the planet must surely have been a bargain.

Post-Brexit, deal or no deal, the UK government (that's actually you, the taxpayer) has had to pay £20bn just to establish new customs posts, employ 50,000 more customs officers, plus vets and SPS inspectors. British companies have to pay another £20bn on new IT systems to deal with the new customs processes and to employ additional staff - all of which adds to the price of the British goods and makes them less competitive.

The UK has left the EU-wide certification systems for drugs, chemicals, foodstuffs, medical equipment etc. Instead of sharing the cost of these with the other EU countries, the UK has to set up its own organisations to handle all of these tasks (and British exporters will have to get their products certified twice - once for the UK and again for the EU, so more costs).

The Vote Leave campaign lied by omission - constantly banging the drum about how much the UK paid into the EU, but never mentioning what the UK has received in return, and how much was saved by not having to invest in things like customs posts, certification agencies and much more.

"Save £9bn a year - but saddle yourself with £20bn of additional costs" probably didn't scan too well on the side of a bus.

AnnieKenney · 12/12/2020 12:06

The way the EU are refusing to act in everyone's best interests proves we are better out. Sad but true.

You really don't get it do you? The UK is not equal to the EU.

Have you ever had a job where you got on really well with your colleagues - bonded with them over bad managers, the terrible coffee, your difficult customers. Bonded even more over getting drunk and doing embarrassing things at the Christmas party. You’ve met their partners and kids, you’ve covered for them when their grandma died or they were going through a rough patch. As a group, they were, as far as it was possible to be under the circumstances, friends.

And then you leave the job, for whatever reason, and they all suddenly just disappear out of your life, and you theirs.

Despite all the protestations that you’ll keep in touch, you’re suddenly simply not in contact any more. You’ve no idea how that house move went, or how their kids got on in their exams, or if their marriage managed to get through that rough patch or if they split up.

And, more importantly, none of them bother contacting you to get an update on how you’re doing. Sure, you might run into them occasionally at the supermarket or whatever, but aside from a few good-to-see-you-again-we-must-catch-up-sometime platitudes, none of them actually make the effort to go out of their way to meet up with you and find out how you’re doing.

You’re not part of their daily life any more. There might be a few ‘Oh, hey, do you remember X - ran into him at the weekend. Seems to be doing OK. Right, let’s get this presentation finished’ conversations. But that’s the maximum extent of it.

The point is this.

The UK is the ex-colleague. They’ve gone. The EU is getting on with ‘finishing the presentation’. They don’t care. They’ve got more important things to do with their time than think about someone who isn’t there any more.

Sure, there’s a few issues relating to handing over files that the ex-colleague was responsible for, resource management inside the team, and so on. Some of it might even be a bit of a pain in the arse for a few months.

But in general, they’ve got work to do, and more important things to worry about.

Your ex-colleagues and your ex-firm don’t purposely make things difficult for you. You’re just not relevant any more.

The EU isn’t purposely doing anything, either to make life difficult or to be accomodating. They’re just getting on with their day-to-day work.

Now, it sometimes turns out that there are colleagues who were disruptive when they were employed, who were always making things difficult for the rest of them team, who always wanted things done their way, who always wanted special dispensations and perks. And when that ex-colleague resigns in a strop and flounces out, most of the rest of the team breath a bit of a sigh of relief and get on with their work. If that colleage wants to spend their days and effort shouting about constructive dismissal and contractual clauses, then that’s fine, and it’s something that HR will deal with via the legal department and by the procedure outlined in the manual.

But it isn’t something that anyone else is going to spend any time on.

DontStopThinkingAboutTomorrow · 12/12/2020 12:10

However, I would like to don my hard hat just this once and ask why it is so difficult for some remain voters to understand that some British people were genuinely worried about the increasing lack of democracy and say over our lives whilst more and more power was devolved to a faceless European Parliament. Yes we could vote for a random few Euro MP’s every so often but most of Brussels is run by unelected bureaucrats and even the European Parliament President who signs off all laws and represents the body of Europe to other nations is not elected by the citizens of Europe

And yet, we had a seat at the table. Now, we have no say. The thought of a government with no oversight, who can do what the fuck they want, if they have a big enough majority, is a whole lot more terrifying to me.
I appreciate that not everybody feels the same way, and I hope we never find out just what lengths an unchecked government can reach.

HallFloor · 12/12/2020 12:11

The Remain campaign was woeful, Cameron and Blair before him had created a climate where people's very valid concerns about immigration couldn't be discussed without accusations of racism, the Leave voters are generally those who have been thoroughly disadvantaged through low quality education etc etc.

They didn't understand what they were doing, which is obviously down to them, but there really should have been a better effort to explain it to them and the conditions which made it seem so attractive to them should never have been allowed to build up like they did.

wewillmeetagain · 12/12/2020 12:17

@HallFloor I completely agree with your first paragraph, however I don't agree that all leave voters didn't know what they were voting for.

chomalungma · 12/12/2020 12:18

It's going to be a no deal and we just have to get on with it now. It seems some people only respect democracy when they get their own way

Democracy has spoken.
It's going to happen. Because it's the will of the people. We will take back control.
No problem with that

Just don't come complaining when your factory shuts down and relocates to the EU because there are less barriers to production and market there.

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MrsMiaWallis · 12/12/2020 12:19

Just don't come complaining when your factory shuts down and relocates to the EU because there are less barriers to production and market there

I don't think many factories will relocate to the EU!

Footywidow · 12/12/2020 12:20

The views on here about wishing people ill are so disgusting. I hope that none of you work in the emergency services, would you for instance not help somebody who has overdosed because drugs will kill you and it would only go one way so you got what was coming. Just absolutely appalling views, I think if the EU was reading this thread they would be pleased to be getting rid of us.

MrsMiaWallis · 12/12/2020 12:20

@Footywidow

The views on here about wishing people ill are so disgusting. I hope that none of you work in the emergency services, would you for instance not help somebody who has overdosed because drugs will kill you and it would only go one way so you got what was coming. Just absolutely appalling views, I think if the EU was reading this thread they would be pleased to be getting rid of us.
Yes absolutely.
JingleCatJingle · 12/12/2020 12:21

I was quite concerned about a No Deal Brexit and the impact on NI. Then I read this www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55277728 looks like we’ll be largely ok. The rest of the UK appears to be f*cked though, but then again, you voted for it.
Bring on the United Ireland, which is heading our way in the next decade or so. Thanks so much DUP.