to think 'Fuck em, if you want No Deal Brexit so hard, then enjoy it' and fuck you if it turns out shit for you

[chomalungma]

I am past caring now.
I feel for people who didn't want Brexit. Who know all the implications and can see the issues that are coming.

But if you want No Deal Brexit and it fucks you up, tough shit.

You wanted it. You get it. You own it.

And pardon me if I don't give a shit anymore about you.

@Icantreachthepretzels

I won’t say what I think of the Brexiters who applied for Irish citizenship after the referendum.

I'll say it.

There is no hell hot enough.

Regular brexiteers who stole my rights at the same time they removed their own are bad enough and I will never forgive them. But brexiteers who stole my rights knowing they could keep those same rights for themselves and their children? No hell hot enough.

This.

And no I won't get over it, and no it wasn't democracy, and I will never forgive Brexiters for Brexit.

We voted to remain .However almost up to actually voting was unsure .Most people dont know enough about it ,and we all voted as we thought fit .I doubt many older people would have voted without considering their families TBH!

But the United Kingdom was founded in 1801 and the Northern Ireland conflict started in 1960 originally as a protest against the treatment of Catholics, not originally for the purpose of independence.

I don't understand people voting leave as a protest because they were angry about lack of opportunity, austerity etc. How does being out of the EU help with any of that? Surely that is down to UK government policy.

I don't understand how a comment suggesting the over 65s should be disenfranchised hasnt been deleted. Despicable.
Agreed. But I don't understand then why there isn't more outrage about the thousands of British citizens who were disenfranchised - are they second class citizens?

One bright side...it has energised Irish nationalism here in the North of Ireland and a United Ireland feels very close. A lot of Think32 events will be taking place,

@Europilgrim

I don't understand how a comment suggesting the over 65s should be disenfranchised hasnt been deleted. Despicable. Agreed. But I don't understand then why there isn't more outrage about the thousands of British citizens who were disenfranchised - are they second class citizens?

What has one got to do with the other?

However, I would like to don my hard hat just this once and ask why it is so difficult for some remain voters to understand that some British people were genuinely worried about the increasing lack of democracy and say over our lives whilst more and more power was devolved to a faceless European Parliament. Yes we could vote for a random few Euro MP’s every so often but most of Brussels is run by unelected bureaucrats and even the European Parliament President who signs off all laws and represents the body of Europe to other nations is not elected by the citizens of Europe.

1. vote for random few Euro MP's.... Well, you do the same for MPs. Every few years you vote. No difference there.

1. unelected officials.... Those unelected officials are MEPs that the people of a country voted for.

Did you vote for Boris, or Sunak or Priti Patel? No. They are just as much unelected officials as in the EU.

1. The E.Parliament president representing EU is not elected by the people.... wrong again. Only an MEP can be nominated. Thus anyone ending up in the position is a person who has been elected through a democratic election in on of the 27 EU countries.

1. Plus the UK has a house of Lords with 750+ UNELECTED MEMBERS. But hey, that is totally democratic and fine because ....why?

Why is it so hard to understand? .... Well, maybe because all the concerns are lies. And all they show is how untethered to reality and facts leave voters were/are.
We can argue that they have been lied to but bottom line is that they were mislead because they were stupid/ignorant enough not to actually think about/read up on what lies they were being fed.

And you can't expect remainers to argue with your points when all of them are untrue. There is nothing to have a discussion about.

Anyone watched The Uncivil war...?Just saying

TheSunisStillShining
We can argue that they have been lied to but bottom line is that they were mislead because they were stupid/ignorant enough not to actually think about/read up on what lies they were being fed.

Well it took a bit longer than I was expecting but...there it is. Stupid old me

@rachelbloomfan

And did you do anything in the four years since to try to stop Brexit? Wrote to your MP? Joined a march? Joined anti Brexit Leave voter group (they do exist)? People like you (and you say your parents) are the ONLY people who could have stopped Brexit and turned this around if you been bothered to speak out about how you were lied to and to act, you didn't. You chose to keep quiet and so we are were we are.

I'm very sorry about the death of your brother but that's were my sympathy for you ends. I am grateful you are speaking up know and acknowledge you feel ashamed and so it is brave to speak.

Will you tell your children how you voted in the future or try to mislead or lie to them if they ask?

But the United Kingdom was founded in 1801 and the Northern Ireland conflict started in 1960 originally as a protest against the treatment of Catholics, not originally for the purpose of independence.

The United Kingdom that I was born into is not the same as the one both my parents were born into. The Republic of Ireland was most definitely established as a desire for Independence. So it cannot be said that the countries of the UK have been at peace for 'a very long time'. Unless you count almost 100 years as very long.

And who exactly voted for Dominic Cummings?

What has one got to do with the other?
Because if it's despicable to disenfranchise citizens why is it not despicable to disenfranchise them for other reasons? This was a vote on fundamentally what it means to be a British citizen, what rights and duties that entails. All British citizens should have had a vote.

But the United Kingdom was founded in 1801 and the Northern Ireland conflict started in 1960 originally as a protest against the treatment of Catholics, not originally for the purpose of independence.

You might want to check what happened on the island of Ireland between 1919 and 1921, and again in 1922-23

But I’m even angrier with those politicians who put us in this position in the first place. For having a referendum without ensuring people knew the truth about what might happen. For neglecting its citizens to the point where they were desperate for change. For making them believe that the EU was to blame for the situation when in reality a lot of UK charities supporting those let down by the government were receiving EU funding. The rich will survive this, the poor might not

VashtaNerada. I agree. They debates the referendum matter of hours not even days. We have had more debate over fox hunting. Every MP that voted to support a referendum without full discussion and debate is guilty for letting the country down. They got caught up in the momentum of the referendum it’s disgraceful that they have got away with being so utterly unprofessional.

Yet how many times are politicians questioned why did you support there being a referendum without discussion and debate

We also have more than enough remain MP’s in Parliament to not support triggering Articule 50 but few did so they know the consequences but choose their careers

And we winder why they was a rebellious vote

I am a big history buff.

Although countries of the United Kingdom have not always been at peace, they have been now for a very long time and it could be argued that they have been together in peace for enough generations of people to now work as a cohesive entity and with similar ideals and expectations

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You could not make this shit up.

Thanks for the explanation lost in a cloud, although I disagree. I think even within the Country of England the culture and experiences of people living in different Towns and Cities are so wide ranging that your reasoning for the advocation of the break up of the EU could equally apply to the break up of the Union or to even an England made up of independent Counties - I have much more in common with my fellow Mancunians than I do with people living in London. It could also be used to advocate the break up of the US, as I imagine the cultural differences of those living in, for example DC or Texas, are vast.. I think we need to look at a bigger picture, do our neighbouring Countries share the same values on workers rights, the environment, state safety net, access to healthcare, attitude to trade etc as we do. I think that they do, and that European countries are stronger United together against threats from China or Russia. We didn’t necessarily have to stay in the EU for that to continue, we could have chosen to implement the referendum result yet remain in the CU and SM and to continue to have a close relation with the EU. The path you have chosen by voting these people in is nonsensical and is damaging our relations with Countries not just within the EU but globally.

LostInACloud has gone and made the classic mistake of forgetting about the island of Ireland.

Even within Great Britain, the English Civil war was only in the mid 17th Century - does this count as 'a long time'? Perhaps, just about.

The Troubles were also primarily economic. Catholic churches weren't shut up so that Catholics had to worship in secret. Catholics were discriminated in jobs and housing.

Why do people harp on about the lies and 350 million promised to the NHS? It was NEVER promised that 350 million would be spent on the NHS it was used as an example of how much we would be saving and what it could be used on! The EU are now playing hardball making an example of us because they want to scare other countries within the EU about what will happen if they try and leave! It's going to be a no deal and we just have to get on with it now. It seems some people only respect democracy when they get their own way.

Brexit: ‘I fear for my country’ says Tory grandee as he brands Boris Johnson an ‘English nationalist’

'What we're seeing is Boris Johnson on this runaway train of English exceptionalism - and heaven knows where it is going to take us in the end’

Lord Patten, speaking to BBC Radio 4 added: “I do fear for the worst because it is very, very difficult to see what the plan is, how we're going to do so brilliantly when we're out of this 'cage' of Europe – which we of course helped to build because the main constructor of the single market was Margaret Thatcher.”

“I want the best for my country, I fear for what's happening at the moment and I fear for our reputation around the world, I fear for what will happen economically.

“And all the things that Conservatives used to believe in – like standing up for the Union, like not attacking our institutions, like the judges, like believing in international co-operation – seem to have gone out of the window.”

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-boris-johnson-no-deal-chris-patten-b1770818.html

But it is a mockery of democracy that 67m people's life can be ruled by 25% (roughly).
Any decision that has this huge impact should at least be tied to 75% OF ALL PEOPLE, not just the ones who go and vote. That would be democracy.

'Why do people harp on about the lies and 350 million promised to the NHS? It was NEVER promised that 350 million would be spent on the NHS it was used as an example of how much we would be saving and what it could be used on! '

Yes! the very same people announcing folk should need intelligence tests before being allowed a vote can't understand this. It was an example not a spending plan..

Why do people harp on about the lies and 350 million promised to the NHS? It was NEVER promised that 350 million would be spent on the NHS it was used as an example of how much we would be saving and what it could be used on!

Might I remind you:

"We send the EU £350 million a week, Let's fund the NHS instead"

Seems more than an example to me - if this was in a party's manifesto for a GE then it would be seen as a promise.

Saying "Let's get on with it" for a no-deal brexit is insanity. Do you know what this will look like? How can you be so blasé about it?