to think 'Fuck em, if you want No Deal Brexit so hard, then enjoy it' and fuck you if it turns out shit for you

[chomalungma]

I am past caring now.
I feel for people who didn't want Brexit. Who know all the implications and can see the issues that are coming.

But if you want No Deal Brexit and it fucks you up, tough shit.

You wanted it. You get it. You own it.

And pardon me if I don't give a shit anymore about you.

@TheSunisStillShining
This is exactly why I think nobody over 65/75 should be able to vote on things like this.
They fucked over at least one generation, fucked with millions of lives, but by the time it comes to pass they are happily buried and don't have to worry about consequences.

Youve been particularly hateful on this thread but this is possibly the most vile comment on here.

The EU has NOT at any point said we have to follow EU standards to sign an agreement. What they have said is that IF we choose to try to gain competitive advantage by slashing our environmental standards or employment standards etc, so that they fall significantly below the EU level - in an attempt to reduce UK companies' cost base and undercut EU businesses - then we will not have tariff-free access to their markets. That is a perfectly reasonable position, entirely their right, and has been their stated position since before the referendum. It is entirely logical and obvious that they would protect their own jobs and companies in this way. How is anybody surprised about this

I'm just wondering whether the EU has made the same demands of other countries it has deals with such as the USA. Do they have to align their employment standards too?

Remainers have said a lot of vile comments on here which really highlights to me the kind of people some of these remain voters are.

Girls blouse - the EU does not have a free trade agreement with the US for precisely this reason.

Perhaps what the previous poster meant was that people of a certain age should not get to vote 🗳 when those decisions can impact the future generations

But all decisions affect future generation, surely? Would like PP to clarify. Agree voting age should be 16.

rachelbloomfan

So sorry about your brother 💐

Yes, it is all the fault of those who voted remain. Not those who voted to destroy their children’s prosperity.

I blame the cynical rich Tories who researched what messages would appeal to the wider public. Who researched that if they made the link between people feeling that life has passed them by and the EU then they would vote for it. Who conducted focus groups in council estates among those who’d never voted and found what resonated. And got people to think that Jacob Rees-Mogg and Nigel Farage had their back.

Johnson, Farage and Rees-Mogg will not be the ones that suffer from this mess. It is the working class who will discover that yes, things can get much much worse for them but particularly for their children.

@Ilovegreentomatoes

Remainers have said a lot of vile comments on here which really highlights to me the kind of people some of these remain voters are.

Its got fuck all to do with how people voted

Its to do with what type of person they are

I agree. It doesn't affect me directly massively. I buy british food anyway. Yes theres some.bits I buy from Europe but I'm going to see a jump in the cost of my staple food or that im missing stuff I want. I dont do any business with Europe and we dont holiday in Europe much, we go long haul. So I'm not directly affected, I'm just affected by being here.
But I think it's a bad thing for the country and it pisses me off that people voted for it with NO information. People genuinely seemed to think that we had some kind of power or authority over europe and its really embarrassing to peoples over inflated egos in our country.

I think the voting limit should be a 5 in GCSE Mathmatics. I'd be disqualified, but so would the most of the determinedly ignorant.

I think our anger is completely justified when you consider the impending fresh food shortages Ilovegreentomatoes. My DD has ASD and a limited diet, some of the only nutritious foods she eats is fruit, almost all of it is imported and reliant on just in time supply chains. This government, and the people who have voted for them, have made choices that are going to detrimentally affect my DC from January when I can’t buy some of the only food she eats, so why shouldn’t I be angry?

My daughter got that grade in year 7

I had just turned 65 at the Referendum - but if I live as long as my parents did, I can reasonably expect to live another 20 to 25 years.This is still a long time.

Hence Rees-Mogg's claptrap about seeing the benefit in 50 years annoyed me - I will be dead then, there is a good chance that my children will be dead then, and my now infant grandchildren will be well into middle age.

As for Freedom of Movement - I doubt whether his children will suffer - money will oil the wheels for them.

@MephistophelesApprentice

I think the voting limit should be a 5 in GCSE Mathmatics. I'd be disqualified, but so would the most of the determinedly ignorant.

I think people should have to answer a couple of questions. Nothing too taxing, but just a few questions to weed out the completely ignorant. IE: "Who is the current prime minister and who is the leader of the opposition" (People would be surprised how many people don't know)

Some people on here think this is a vile thread because it wishes harm on people who voted a different way.

Let me be clear.
It's not about wishing harm on people.
It's about not giving a shit about people who voted Leave if they then start to complain that their life has been affected due to Brexit.

There is a big difference.

I hope it works out for people. I hope that their lives improve, they get the jobs and the social change.

But if your factory relocates to the EU, your food shopping price increases and your holiday goes tits up because you didn't realise that you needed travel insurance now, then tough shit. You were told.

I don't doubt that Mogg, Johnson and most of the expensively educated Cabinet have a GCSE 5 in maths, or O level equivalent. It doesn't stop them talking claptrap. I like the idea better of needing to know who is the PM and Leader of the Opposition.

I was asked a similar question at college when I was 18. Who was the Chancellor of the Exchequer? I was the only one who knew.

And as tax regimes affect those who pay more tax proportionally, perhaps the value of an individual’s vote should be linked to the amount of tax they pay.

ATM we are all equal in the ballot box; perhaps the only true equality we have and the most important one.

I honestly think that people carrying such massive negativity and hatred will ruin their own lives and it's got nothing to do with Brexit at all.
good point.

I think we can all play our own blame games on this. I would personally blame Corbyn. If he hadn't been so pathetic in the Referendum Campaign (as well as being eurosceptic) we would have had a Remain result. If he hadn't been so unattractive to the voters in the GE, Johnson wouldn't have had a stonking majority. Also, most importantly, if Labour had voted for May's deal we wouldn't be here.
So, yes, 3 reasons to blame somebody else.
But, for my mental health, I choose to believe that most people behave with the best intentions, even people I disagree with.

But if your factory relocates to the EU
I live down the road from a factory that moved to Poland. To a factory that had been built using EU funds.

I started off angry but now I just feel fearful and sad for the future. We have to remember that there are a lot of people who voted to remain and are equally appalled at the direction our country is taking and also try to understand what prompted people to vote to leave (I live in the North and it was a reaction to generations of neglect, poverty and deindustrialisation plus the racist bile pumped out over the past years by the likes of The Daily Mail, Sun etc). They were lied to, manipulated and used by powerful forces. We are living in very dark and frightening times - literally cannot sleep thinking about what is happening.

I think people should have to answer a couple of questions. Nothing too taxing, but just a few questions to weed out the completely ignorant

Well people are about to have a crash course in economics, in tariffs, supply chains etc...

Do you really think people who voted for Brexit give a shit what you think?

I know it’s utterly futile to attempt to present any kind of leave argument on Mumsnet without getting told you’re stupid, selfish, ignorant, racist etc or in fact that you are heading for a shit life and deserve it
However, I would like to don my hard hat just this once and ask why it is so difficult for some remain voters to understand that some British people were genuinely worried about the increasing lack of democracy and say over our lives whilst more and more power was devolved to a faceless European Parliament. Yes we could vote for a random few Euro MP’s every so often but most of Brussels is run by unelected bureaucrats and even the European Parliament President who signs off all laws and represents the body of Europe to other nations is not elected by the citizens of Europe.

The reason I find it particularly difficult to understand why remain voters can’t appreciate this particular worry is because similar worries and frustrations are present in our own country! For example, there is still prevalent pressure from Scotland to become independent because they are unhappy at being ruled from Westminster; a place that they perceive to be geographically far away and ignorant to many of their local issues. Well how is a Brussels government, where there are nowhere near as many Scottish MP’s as there are in Westminster, located even further away and with even less understanding of local Scottish issues better than at least an independent uk?
Now, I’m not saying that the UK government have handled Brexit in any kind of admirable way and I am in agreement with most of the country that they appear to be creating an absolute disaster of the situation. But that is not a leave voters fault and just like the covid arguments between rigid rule followers and posters who attempt to question the restrictions, people need to direct their anger and action at the government and not at each other. A non-united population is a weak population, easily controlled and manipulated - et voilà - the government continue to be held unaccountable while we’re all too busy squabbling amongst ourselves.

@TheWichitaWineOne

When you have nothing what can be taken away

The poorest people in the country will suffer most. This particular Tory government, nasty, untethered and without a moral compass between them will wreak havoc on people's lives. They will erode more EU-era safety nets than people knew existed.

It was never, ever to do with immigration and jobs. It was always about deregulation. BJ waving kippers around and blustering out his cut-price Churchill bullshit, while Farage whipped up a bit of anti-immigrant racism were the sideshows that enabled the Tory Ultras to creep stealthily towards their dream of unfettered profiteering.

I don't understand what Brexit ever offered people who couldn't afford to lose much. There is so much more at stake now.

But here we are.

Great post

'think the voting limit should be a 5 in GCSE Mathmatics. I'd be disqualified, but so would the most of the determinedly ignorant.'

Honestly. Such awful sneering crap on here. Those over 65 shouldn't vote now someone suggests qualifications should be relevant . Imagine all the deprived kids who leave school without any qualifications being completely written off becuae they don't have a mumsnetter's required exam passes.

Look in any campaign it is the responsibility of those wanting change to present the facts so people (of all levels of intelligence) can understand and make an informed decision.

'honestly think that people carrying such massive negativity and hatred will ruin their own lives and it's got nothing to do with Brexit at all'

Exactly. Also it is in the EUs best interests to have a free trade deal with us. They are punishing us for leaving. Direct your bedwetting fury at them.