to think 'Fuck em, if you want No Deal Brexit so hard, then enjoy it' and fuck you if it turns out shit for you

[chomalungma]

I am past caring now.
I feel for people who didn't want Brexit. Who know all the implications and can see the issues that are coming.

But if you want No Deal Brexit and it fucks you up, tough shit.

You wanted it. You get it. You own it.

And pardon me if I don't give a shit anymore about you.

Too late now, but tell me again where this notion of leaving EU emanated from?

Inter Tory eurosceptism maybe? ERG? But it ended up in a referendum fuelled by jingoism and all the rest of it. I doubt many cared up to then, but were fired up during the ref campaign..

And here we are about to pay a big price for the hubris of some who think/thought UK was superior. It was ever thus.

@Crankley

1. totally unacceptable for the EU to want to continue to have control over the UK's laws and trade

So much better will it be when WTO has control! Yay! laws: again: EU principles and framework needs to be adhered to, but countries DO MAKE THEIR OWN LAWS!

1. FFS let the fishing industry go!!! it is 0.2% of the UK GDP. Peanuts doesn't even describe it.

1. Someone said that the EU is our largest trading partner. I think you will find we are theirs too

No, we are not. Big, but nowhere near the larges. USA+China are more than double the value (see link for details)

Some facts, from 2019*:
EU trade value with specific countries:
TOTAL 4,066,959 million
UK - 511m

Whilst it's big, UK is nowhere the biggest partner.

As for Germany:
A) Germany is the UK’s second largest export market for goods and services and second largest trading partner, accounting for more than 10.2 % of all UK trade in 2019 (ONS, 2019). During that period, total trade between the UK and Germany was worth £136 billion.

B)from the other side: See image. Not insignificantly small, but not something that will cause them their demise. There are other nations that are more significant and overall a lot more trading partners in general. So I'll think they will survive. **

1. Remainers have spread doom and gloom for over four years. The answer is that we don't know how this will initially impact us or for how long but I'm going to take it one day at a time and deal with each day

That's a lovely sentiment and hurray for you, but with your stupid vote you ruined millions of lives. But it's okay because you will take it day by day.

Remainers -at this point- WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE FUCK WILL HAPPEN after jan 1. I don't want to take it day by day as I need to look for a job and need to decide if this country will be in a position to have actual jobs. I don't give a rat's ass about holidays, but I want to know how much will my hard earned money be worth. I want to know if there will be shortages of certain medications (generic or specialized) or should I pop over in the last days to get it from France.
I want to be able to plan my life for 1-3-5-7 years ahead. To know how much I can spend now, and how much will I need to save. But I can't know any of this. I don't want to live and decide/tackle day-by-day. I am fucking resilient, lived in 3 countries already, can survive on ice if needed, but this is driving me over the tipping point. And as a business owner: 20 days to go and I have no fucking clue how I will be able to invoice my services to our European clients and actually how much will my services will cost. But hey, no need, because you think it's okay to have millions live day-by-day. It's not. And this gov had 4 years to create blueprints, studies and contingency plans. But they did FUCK ALL! And you are still cheering them on.

*trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2006/september/tradoc_122530.pdf

**tradingeconomics.com/germany/exports-to-united-kingdom

God you sound so angry..everything will be fine. Relax. Have a glass of wine. We leave either with or without a deal. All will be ok. Ignore the msm, everything is biased x

@TheRubyRedshoes

In rl I know loads f people who voted both ways, no leaver voted because of what was written on the side of a bus...

But some Remainers did vote because they thought they wouldn't be allowed to travel to the eu anymore.

I'm sure both sides have equal measure of spur of the moment votes and those based on deeper rational reasons?

I don't get your point here? Freedom of movement was a huge benefit of being in the EU, and remainers knew that if would end if we left the EU. That was fact. How is that not a rational reason to vote that way?

@ClaireP20

God you sound so angry..everything will be fine. Relax. Have a glass of wine. We leave either with or without a deal. All will be ok. Ignore the msm, everything is biased x

I am livid, not just angry and your condescending tone is fucking annoying. I just gave shitloads of very real issues that have a first line impact on millions of lives, incl. mine. How will a glass of wine help me ffs? And yes, I will calm down, but I do want to vent and I do want to shout facts into the faces of those morons who can't even think 2 steps ahead and logic is a foreign word to them.

@ClaireP20

God you sound so angry..everything will be fine. Relax. Have a glass of wine. We leave either with or without a deal. All will be ok. Ignore the msm, everything is biased x

Want to point us towards some unbiased factual info that will convince us that everything will indeed be OK? I'd love to see it.

Again, who decided we needed a referendum on this? Were the populace demanding it?

@ClaireP20

God you sound so angry..everything will be fine. Relax. Have a glass of wine. We leave either with or without a deal. All will be ok. Ignore the msm, everything is biased x

Man, are you in for a shock.

Wholeheartedly agree with you.

@veeeeh

Again, who decided we needed a referendum on this? Were the populace demanding it?

Oldies on my family who had never even so much as mentioned the EU to me before in their lives were suddenly very insistent that we must leave the EU at Christmas 2015. They didn't seem to have clear reasons why though.,

But they did have a great respect for Nigel Farage and Jacob Rees-Mogg.

@veeeeh

Again, who decided we needed a referendum on this? Were the populace demanding it?

Wasn't it in the Tory manifesto for the 2015 election? So Cameron stuck to his word.

One of the only promises the bastard Tories actually stuck to.

Yes, the blasé attitude to visas, residency and so on points to people who have little experience. I’ve lived in non-EU countries and doing so legally was a headache. I also had to leave when my visas were up.

Mind, some EU countries make it extremely difficult to get set up. Can’t wait to see what the process is like for non-EU residents!

My parents both voted Leave, for some vague nationalistic reasons.

They have since both died, leaving the younger generations to live with their decision.

Bit of a bitter pill, that.

I have to say it's interesting that every post where I include numbers, facts and figures either gets ignored massively or gets some tap on the head response. Making it seem like I'm the looney for actually operating with FACTS. not fiction, emotion or rainbow farting unicorns.

@PrincessNutNuts

Totally. I would put my house on it that well over 70% of those who went to vote (on both sides) either had never heard tell of the EU or if they had never thought about the UK's place in it.

All these so called Brexiteers now suddenly so concerned about fishing rights, unelected eurocrats and laws they want to 'make for themselves'. Just because (the completely unaffected by Brexit) ilk like Rees Mogg and Farage say so.

Baffling

There are many things in manifestoes, most of which are not worth the paper they are written on.

The thrust for leaving EU came from Tory Eurosceptics, ERG and Farage etc.. Fired some 52% up and here we are. I naively thought that everyone was happy enough with the way things were going really. Silly me.

It was organised and engineered by these people I believe, and off they go now to Texit and the likes, and will never see a poor day again, or suffer the consequences of this vote.

That upsets me a lot.

I can see some people on this thread are just not exhibiting the pluck that is our birthright as brits. Who needs a certain level certainty in their life? We all just need to channel our inner bulldog spirit, just like we did in WWII, when life was a never-ending round of pub singalongs, fun rationing and sticking it to Johnny Foreigner.

(And when the populace faced a common enemy, not the consequences of their compatriots’ actions.)

One of the most embarrassing moments of the referendum period was listening to a talking heads thing on the radio with a bloke in his twenties waxing lyrical about everyone pulling together in the war.

What a nasty post, wishing ill on people

it is totally unacceptable for the EU to want to continue to have control over the UK's laws and trade

That isn't their position though, is it? Either you are as disingenuous as Boris or you are just parroting things you have heard/ read without any grasp of the facts.

The EU has NOT at any point said we have to follow EU standards to sign an agreement. What they have said is that IF we choose to try to gain competitive advantage by slashing our environmental standards or employment standards etc, so that they fall significantly below the EU level - in an attempt to reduce UK companies' cost base and undercut EU businesses - then we will not have tariff-free access to their markets. That is a perfectly reasonable position, entirely their right, and has been their stated position since before the referendum. It is entirely logical and obvious that they would protect their own jobs and companies in this way. How is anybody surprised about this?!

I know it is late, my OH is ill and I am up and down to him, but gosh there are some trolls hanging around trying to goad reasonable views.

Open forum I suppose, so best get on with it!

Brexiteers' collective rage at the EU for not being willing to share its birthday cake with the person who has had a tantrum in the middle of the party and walked out in a strop is mind boggling.

TheSunIsStillShining

I'm an insomniac and bored so back one last time. I appreciate the EU's trade with other countries are larger but I was not talking about other countries, just the UK and EU.

Remainers have made it perfectly that they want to know what will happen. They, like the rest of us, will just have to wait and see. No-one knows - surely that's pretty obvious?

You and all the other hysterically negative people on here should read this: tkographix.com/negativity-affects-health/ If you are not interested in that, then please google for yourself.

A Norway type deal within the EEA would have ticked all boxes.

Out of EU yes

BUT payments must be paid for the privilege of tariff free, and free trade within the EU, oh and Freedom of Movement too.

Guessing that FOM and payment for privileges were two steps too far for this fair hubristic land. lol

@PolkadotGiraffe - had the EU come crawling for a deal, the crowing would be never-ending. This didn’t happen, so the preferred narrative is about how horrible they are to us.

Either way, brexit was the right choice. Cast iron logic.