to think 'Fuck em, if you want No Deal Brexit so hard, then enjoy it' and fuck you if it turns out shit for you

[chomalungma]

I am past caring now.
I feel for people who didn't want Brexit. Who know all the implications and can see the issues that are coming.

But if you want No Deal Brexit and it fucks you up, tough shit.

You wanted it. You get it. You own it.

And pardon me if I don't give a shit anymore about you.

@Frollocks

You could always organise a socially distanced march with naice banners and what not. That'll show em.

Marches and petitions mean nothing unfortunately.

But after wars, people trade. Because to fail to trade, is to impoverish the population. And people will move for work to where the work is generated. And the UK has been good at creating work. But the past is not a guide to the future, as the investor's prospectus says.

If we think the vitriol towards Leave voters is bad now, just wait for the anger that'll be directed towards them over the next few years.

That poisonous referendum took a knife to the heart of this country and divided us in two. I have no idea how long it'll take us to recover.

I voted "remain" as I felt that it was better the devil you know. I vaguely remember why we joined the EEC as it made imports cheaper and it reduced tariffs and helped to reduce currency fluctuations.
I also remember the Cod Wars.
This whole mess is down to politics, not economics.
The vast majority of fish, around our waters , is exported. Barely anyone in the UK eats herring, dabs or hardly any oily fish . Yet we demand cod etc... which generally lies outside our waters..
I'm just so sad that we have virtually no place in Europe and will have to trade further afield, this increasing our carbon emissions.
We aren't even sustainable vegan wise.
Even our toilet paper relies on imported wood pulp.
Much of our laws derived from Europe which, at the time, the UK railed against because of cost, eg equal pay, disability discrimination, and much more.
It's just so sad.
I also happen to live near the M20 at a point that's often gridlocked due to pressures at Dover and we're already experiencing lorry delays that gridlock our town.

"And the UK has been good at creating work"

Because the framework was set. Now the framework is being hacked at by many chainsaws at once.
about 2 years ago it took me about 1 month to find a job and I could select from thousands - not joking.

Now: search results: 140. Out of that about 100 are gov jobs.
It is quite clear signal of what's to come

@PortraitOfAWoman

I don't think leavers voted for no deal. I'm sick of all of this on MN, It's democracy so get over it. not everyone gets what they want.

Also, no one knows what Brexit with a deal or n deal will look like for years and I suspect the EU will collapse as lots of other countries will follow the Uk.

Are you quite mad? I don't see any country queuing up to follow us into the Brexity shit storm. You say Leavers didn't vote for no deal; well I voted Remain and I don't want no deal either. So if neither remainers or leavers wanted it, why are we doing it and who for? It's nothing to do with democracy. Democracy is when honest politicians do what they say they're going to do - not lie and twist and deceive the people of their nation. This lot deserve to be in prison for what they're about to put this country though, in midwinter, during a once in a century pandemic.

We seem to be signing a lot of big trade deals, make be we do have trading partners lined up.
Also the wording of this shows the EU for who they are...
The EU are offer terms no country would be willing to sign up to...
So maybe it's their own greedy fault.
France wants to eat cake, again.....

KenDodd - And how will you know who voted leave and who didn't? I can honestly say that I have never had a conversation where someone has asked whether I voted leave or remain. I can't remember in real life the last time I even heard people talking about Brexit.

KenDodd - And how will you know who voted leave and who didn't?

Because plenty of Leave voters are very vocal and proud of their patriotism.

I have often thought perhaps once the economic impact of it crystallises, those who voted for it should be the ones to pay for it. We have heard so frequently "I don't care about the costs" and "we knew what we were voting for" and "it's a matter of principle, etc.

However, I suspect that the assumption is that those costs are acceptable provided they are paid by someone else. Ideally there should be a "Brexit tax" so that those who are willing to declare that they voted for it will pay for it through increased taxes/ benefit or pension reductions etc. Miraculously, I expect that the "majority" for it (not that one ever existed in reality) would vanish very suddenly.

And in that case, the mandate for it was spurious and everything possible should be done to restore us to as close to where we were before this nonsense as is possible. If they won't own the consequences then why should the rest of us endure it?

Ideally there should be a "Brexit tax" so that those who are willing to declare that they voted for it will pay for it through increased taxes/ benefit or pension reductions etc.

Oh, I would love to see that. Better still, import one American tax - the one which taxes US citizens' income where-ever it arises in the world - so catch those Brexiters who have nobly skipped the country. The Dysons and the Ratcliffes.

Ideally there should be a "Brexit tax"

I agree, in that, I think any new tariffs on goods should be printed on the product as a "Brexit Tax" so we know how much extra we are paying and we can all see the realities for Brexit.

@GuidonianHand

Johnson has fucked everyone about. No trade deals were ever on the cards with him. Every government assessment has shown every brexshit option to be bad for the country, so he cannot afford to put his name to something that will leave people suffering. So, blame everyone: us stop brexit people, the EU, other political parties, and innocent cute blustery bj is blame free.

Yes I'm angry. Mainly for younger people with risky employment and housing. For EU citizens here and UK citizens living in the EU. For young people with lost opportunities. For our science and research projects. For poorer parts of the country long neglected by Westminster who had so much funded via the EU.

Damn right I'm angry. With the liars who deceived the country and those who voted for xenophobic reasons, or who didn't know what they were voting about - eg those who googled what is the eu the day after the referendum - and who still have not wised up.

The only bright side I can see is that the die hard brexit believers haven't made preparations. I shan't be needing to fight in the supermarket as I've been preparing since May drew up her red lines precluding membership of the Customs Union and the Single Market.

But fuck this brexshit that has split families, destroyed businesses already, made second class citizens of EU citizens here, made life so difficult for UK citizens on the mainland. Makes us a weaker poorer nation.

Agree about the die hards not preparing for the worse case scenario because they think everything will be fine, which may be a rude awakening .I will get absolutely destroyed for this but the same can be said for the anti covid vaxxers (i know loads) - let them take their chances and let the rest of us get on with our lives.

@Peregrina

Ideally there should be a "Brexit tax" so that those who are willing to declare that they voted for it will pay for it through increased taxes/ benefit or pension reductions etc.

Oh, I would love to see that. Better still, import one American tax - the one which taxes US citizens' income where-ever it arises in the world - so catch those Brexiters who have nobly skipped the country. The Dysons and the Ratcliffes.

Yes! A brilliant idea. No escape and flouncing off away from the mess they have created.

I also think it should be printed in our passports which countries it gives the holder the right to live/work and study in.

The problem is that we are all suffering from mass ignorance. I was being cautiously optimistic, hoping that I’d be proven wrong.

I also feel like many Brexiters voted based on lies fed by the Leave campaign . I’m sure some had their reasons to vote leave but the vast majority believed those lies. I know my parents regretted it. They were convinced by the ad campaigns led by Leave...anyone remember those deceptive videos which I think can still be found on YouTube of how the NHS is on the brink of breaking down because it couldn’t cope with treating immigrants? And those lies plastered on billboards and busses? Did the Leave campaign ever apologise for deceiving the masses?

The narrow results just caused a friction in an already fragmented society. And this will inevitably lead to the breakdown of the United Kingdom because it’s not fair on Scotland et al to suffer when they wanted to remain. Some are ignorant enough that we can survive on our own. We will all suffer because of this sheer ignorance and the deception. At least we’ll have the blue passport I hope David “pudding face” Cameron and Boris “mop head” Johnson are happy with the legacy that they’ll leave behind for the future generations.

So maybe it's their own greedy fault.
France wants to eat cake, again.....

Always some convenient xenophobic target of Brexiteer ire.
So obedient as well, whatever the Mail tell them.

Whilst my most basic intincts are with you and in my most nasty moments I think anyone who voted leave should automatically be sent to the back of the supermarket & nhs queues etc I think the super wealthy who bankrolled project to exploit (stupidity) should go to the bottom of the heap first....sadly, they of course have the cash to buy themselves out. And those of us who have ethics/morals/sense/decency will take a deep breath, button it and do our best in the circumstances, despite wanting to yell ‘I explained how many fucking times’, and find a way through, for us & those that screwed us over.

I don't think most people who voted for Brexit wanted or expected no deal. I think many assumed we would end up with a Norway type agreement or some kind of "sensible" trading relationship. Not the shit show that Boris has created

I will get absolutely destroyed for this but the same can be said for the anti covid vaxxers (i know loads) - let them take their chances and let the rest of us get on with our lives.

Actually, I would agree. If the vaccines give the immunity rates they say, then take the vaccine and be sensible about not going into crowded places with people coughing and sneezing all over the show, and you should be OK, and let the anti-vaxxers take their chance.

But Brexit isn't like that - there isn't an import stream of JIT goods for Remainers - if supply chains fail, they fail for the lot of us (well, except the extremely wealthy.)

If we think the vitriol towards Leave voters is bad now, just wait for the anger that'll be directed towards them over the next few years

Not least from their own children, from talking to several young people about it over the last period of time.

@ssd I quite agree. I voted remain (in the Scottish referendum) because remaining in the EU is important to me, that was the main reason at least. Scotland then voted to remain in the EU and it didn't fucking matter. Not one bit. It's like sitting in the back of a car, unable to do anything, while the driver hurtles you towards a brick wall.

Yes, Peregrina is right - we need an American tax system so all those mega rich who bankrolled Brexit and then want to dodge their taxes and the fall out by taking their companies and businesses elsewhere have to either duly pay or relinquish their citizenship. Might even get rid of half the Tory cabinet with their overseas companies whilst we’re at it👍!