Are people right to be worried about the vaccine?

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I had a "good tempered" argument with DP last night. He says theres no way hes putting something in his body that hasnt undergone all the checks and tests and says that normally vaccines take 20 years to approve.

I think that when I have a choice between a known negative (covid) and an unknown (vaccine) I will always take the unknown.

In response he says people have forgotten a minuscule proportion of people actually suffer from covid. He says this is all about money (however he is a conspiracy theorist...)

What do you think about the vaccine and the speed of it?

Also vote:
YABU = I will not be getting the vaccine
YANBU = I will be getting the vaccine

@Blobby10

Whilst I am not anti vaccinations I do believe they are given sole credit for the reduction of illnesses such as diptheria, polio etc when just as much credit should be given to improved sanitation, improved housing, diets and general health. I don't think either would have achieved the reduction on their own.

The covid vaccine is not going to stop people getting the virus in the same way that the flu vaccine doesn't stop people getting the flu. It will just mean that people who are vulnerable won't be as ill and therefore may not need hospitalisation. It won't stop people carrying it and therefore spreading it asymptomatically which is the reason most of the world population has been subjected to national lockdowns of one sort or another.

What is the point in a normally healthy person with a robust immune system having the vaccine ? **ps I don't believe it contains a microchip or alters the DNA !

It really isn't right to say that "just as much" credit for reduction of illnesses should be given to improved sanitation, diets etc. Plenty of well-nourished people in perfectly goo, clean housing conditions contracted polio pre-vaccine, after all.

The notion that the vaccination means that people get the illness but less seriously demonstrates a serious misunderstanding of how it works.

As for your final paragraph, thousands of normally healthy people all over the world have caught covid, many of them with serious effects including death and long-term damage. That is the point of having the vaccine.

Despite being CEV the decision is out of my hands. Not only do I have allergies, there is no contra information about some of the medication I'm on. Plus I fall under many of the exclusions during the trials.

clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/record/NCT04368728

canigooutyet, it's (partly) in order to protect people in your situation, who can't have the vaccine for medical reasons, that as many of us as possible who can have it, should have it.

@UserEleventyNine

canigooutyet, it's (partly) in order to protect people in your situation, who can't have the vaccine for medical reasons, that as many of us as possible who can have it, should have it.

Isn't it still unknown if the vaccinated can pass it on yet?

@maryLeeonhigh and @LilMidge01 I stand corrected - guess I just don’t any of the 1.85 million out of 68million people who have had it and shouldn’t have commented

Just watching Panorama atm. It is very good and very clearly explained.

I really don’t understand the lack of trust.

Maybe because its because of the lies from scientists and government. Once you've been caught out in a lie, it's really difficult for me to understand why people WOULD trust.them

Are there any potential unknown long term side effects from this vaccine?

Are there any potential unknown long term side effects from this vaccine?

We cannot possibly know, as Covid has only been in existence for about a year, and most vaccine trials for COVID have been over a shorter time scale so far. Time will tell.
However generally, vaccines don't have long term side effects. The actual physical contents of the vaccine do tend to dissipate from the body within 48 hours.
Most common side effects of vaccines are redness/swelling/soreness at the vaccination site, which usually disappears within a couple of days. Occasionally mild flu-like symptoms occur within a day or two, and only last a day or two.

Has any newly introduce medication ever created unexpected long term side effects before?

I will have it but l know more people who have said they won't be.

I wonder if they will change their minds if they get refused entry to other countries.

Covid vaccines have been studied when it was realised that a Corona style virus could cause a pandemic.
So work has gone into it for years.

Yes the studies were done quicker. However this is acceptable in a pandemic. The vaccines still pass strict tests before release.

If ppl really wanted society back to normal they'd get the vaccine.
But there will be countries that will ban ppl entering without vaccination. And some jobs may make it compulsory. Just like Hep B was in nursing training.

I've heard not one decent reason not to have the vaccine.

If ppl really wanted society back to normal they'd get the vaccine

This is logic-free. Many of those who don't want the vaccine are afraid of long term effects. Does anybody know the long term risks of the vaccine? If not, it's a valid fear.

If anyone here knows the long term risks of the vaccine, beyond 'probably', could they put them on the thread?

And if nobody does, why is it wrong to fear putting something in your body which will only 'probably' not harm you?

There's nothing complicated or difficult to understand, here, this is how humans work. If we feel there is danger, we try to avoid it. It's visceral, like stepping out of the way of a moving vehicle, or fire.

Can anybody think of a case where a new medication was introduced, hailed as perfectly safe, and caused long term damage in thousands of cases?

MN was started as a parenting site and probably a vast majority on here are mothers. If a pregnant woman can't have the vaccine then they are relying on the rest of us to have the vaccine to keep covid cases low and help protect them. It's as simple as that.

We have amazing scientists working to successfully control disease, but we are seriously going to reject it and allow a virus to kill and debilitate many people? I don't get it, sorry.

I'll not be getting it.

And if nobody does, why is it wrong to fear putting something in your body which will only 'probably' not harm you?

Do you mean the virus itself? For that could enter your body and probably only inconvenience you for less than 3 weeks. But can most definitely harm you, and some of the effects we already know are are life-long and life changing (can cause strokes)

@Torvean32

Covid vaccines have been studied when it was realised that a Corona style virus could cause a pandemic. So work has gone into it for years.

Yes the studies were done quicker. However this is acceptable in a pandemic. The vaccines still pass strict tests before release.

If ppl really wanted society back to normal they'd get the vaccine.
But there will be countries that will ban ppl entering without vaccination. And some jobs may make it compulsory. Just like Hep B was in nursing training.

I've heard not one decent reason not to have the vaccine.

I was just thinking the same thing.

If you do some "research", it is highly likely you will be pulled in to some conspiracy oriented sites/you tube videos etc.

Conspiracy nuts are known to use a kind of pseudy scientific language, to give legitimacy to their "research"

@RoseAndRose

And if nobody does, why is it wrong to fear putting something in your body which will only 'probably' not harm you?

Do you mean the virus itself? For that could enter your body and probably only inconvenience you for less than 3 weeks. But can most definitely harm you, and some of the effects we already know are are life-long and life changing (can cause strokes)

No, I mean the vaccine, and your post doesn't answer the question you quoted.

"The safer our lives become, the more we are concerned with its safety" Spiers 2002.

I've done my own personal risk assessment and would rather take my chances with a vaccine, than with COVID 19.

It is my social responsibility to get the vaccine and help to promote it amongst my fellow health care professionals and patients. It really is the only way out of this nightmare. If anyone chooses not to get a vaccine, then that's their right, however you will need to live with those consequences, whether that be contracting a serious disease or reducing your social contact and travel forever, until hopefully herd immunity saves you.

I won't be commenting any further on this thread.

This is really interesting reading. It's the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee Meeting December 10, 2020 from the FDA.

www.fda.gov/media/144245/download

All the questions you have and more should be covered in this 53 page document,

@canigooutyet

This is really interesting reading. It's the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee Meeting December 10, 2020 from the FDA.

www.fda.gov/media/144245/download

All the questions you have and more should be covered in this 53 page document,

Some people would rather read conspiracy theories on face book. All the mainstream news programmes, Panorama, the RSM broadcast have been excellent on this. It is hard to convince anybody against their will though. I personally can hardly wait for my turn. I have been shielding since March. I can't understand people saying there isn't much information. It has been wall to wall for the last 10 days or so.

So work has gone into it for years.

Yes. Prof. Sarah Gilbert, one of the co-creators of the Oxford vaccine, has been working on vaccines for years - Ebola, MERS. When the the genetic structure of Covid 19 became available, very early on, all she had to do was adapt her existing research to the new virus. This information isn't hard to find.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55043551

So true. Some people are just gleefully hoping for terrible vaccine side effects even though they don't understand molecular biology, immunology, vaccine development (and it's long and largely successful history) or virology. It's bizarre. Don't get me wrong, I think the government are a joke and wouldn't trust them to manage my piggy bank, never mind this pandemic, but I understand risk and science and all this automatic mis-trust is very misplaced.

I'm starting to find it quite annoying as someone who is under 50 with no medical conditions and won't get the vaccine, ever probably, and so at some point will have to deal with the virus and long covid affects, which I really don't want (and am much more worried about than the chance of allergic reaction or serious side effect from a new vaccine).

Work has gone into all vaccines, and other drug, development for years. Nothing happens in isolation in Science. Everything builds on the (peer-reviewed) latest scientific knowledge and understanding. Any lab scientists that have developed a vaccine will have been working in this field since university degree level.