Are people right to be worried about the vaccine?

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I had a "good tempered" argument with DP last night. He says theres no way hes putting something in his body that hasnt undergone all the checks and tests and says that normally vaccines take 20 years to approve.

I think that when I have a choice between a known negative (covid) and an unknown (vaccine) I will always take the unknown.

In response he says people have forgotten a minuscule proportion of people actually suffer from covid. He says this is all about money (however he is a conspiracy theorist...)

What do you think about the vaccine and the speed of it?

Also vote:
YABU = I will not be getting the vaccine
YANBU = I will be getting the vaccine

China has started to use its sinovac covid vaccine. Though as news coverage of the international aspects of the pandemic have been patchy (to put it politely) it wouid have been easy to miss

OP, I feel sorry for you. How on earth do you put up with him?

I’m a cautious person by nature so I’m a bit nervous about the vaccine. I’m not against it at all it’s just I’d rather not take a brand new vaccine without more data.
Besides, dh and I have had corona virus now so I’m hoping we’ve got immunity for a while.
Apparently immunity after having it only lasts for 6 months? How can the vaccine last longer then? I think I have to do some learning.

There is plenty of good, accurate information available, I cannot understand why people want to spend time reading nonsense, or reading nothing at all.

I get people want to research but when you do please make sure it’s proper peer reviewed research not a random article on Facebook

Weirdly I had a conversation with my daughters consultant today as obviously there is no trials on children ( like many things that then end up being extended to children )
I question the likely hood of her getting the vaccine and he was like not the Phitzer one at all as it’s not as safe but the oxford one of rolled out likely hood is she could as it is based on previous vaccinations.

I posted information about the Royal Society of Medicine public broadcast this week. It was excellent and pitched at a level that everyone could understand. (The explanation of the vaccine was particularly good).
Somebody reported my post and got it deleted.
Yet so much rubbish and scaremongering is allowed to stand.

@flaviaritt

TeenPlusTwenties

But that’s just what her DH thinks. He’s entitled to think it. We are all entitled to discuss it.

From my perspective, I’m prepared to believe the vaccines have gone through all the appropriate tests. I’m also prepared to believe otherwise. Obviously they’re going to say it has, but I’ll see what happens when millions of people take it. It’s not illegitimate to have concerns.

People can think whatever they want. But there is no need to start yet another new thread on MN making people unnecessarily and inaccurately worried by stating misinformation.

Saying you don't want the vaccine until millions of others have had it is fine. Saying you don't want it because of falsehoods (not gone through usual tests and checks) not fine.

All opinions are not of equal worth. With respect to the vaccine safety, opinions of scientists and approval bodies are worth more than opinions of a non-involved lay-people.

What I can't understand is how we are the first to make one, China, America?? Why has no one else got a vaccine yet

We aren’t. Russia and China have both got vaccines that they are rolling out now.
Of course I will have the vaccine when it’s my turn. Can’t wait.

What does it mean on a practical level if one person in a couple gets the vaccine and the other doesnt?

One is allegedly protected and the other isn't.

No idea if my wife will be having it (even if she can), we haven't talked about it. I won't be having it. I have to pump enough stuff in my body as it is.

Our boys can make their own decision as to whether they want it or not, 100% up to them and not us.

What I can't understand is how we are the first to make one, China, America?? Why has no one else got a vaccine yet.

We aren’t the first to make one. Germany/USA are the first to make one (the Pfizer vaccine). We are the first to buy it.

The people who distrust vaccines are usually putting eloquent arguments like “I don’t want to out stuff in my body” while sitting there vaping or drinking gin

My friend who researches infections diseases says that in his opinion the vaccine is great and a forerunner of a whole new generation of vaccines to come.

I know it's hard to trust a random on the internet, but honestly my friend knows his stuff.

When it's an option to put an end to lockdown, why wouldn't I? Some people must really love lockdown

• People can think whatever they want. But there is no need to start yet another new thread on MN making people unnecessarily and inaccurately worried by stating misinformation.

Saying you don't want the vaccine until millions of others have had it is fine. Saying you don't want it because of falsehoods (not gone through usual tests and checks) not fine.

All opinions are not of equal worth. With respect to the vaccine safety, opinions of scientists and approval bodies are worth more than opinions of a non-involved lay-people.*

But it doesn’t matter if you want to discuss it or not, nor that you feel the opinions of scientists (or whoever else) are more valid. Nobody else is obligated to agree with you and they can discuss what they are being asked to put into their bodies without your permission. You don’t have to click on the thread.

Can he explain the stages of vaccine testing in detail? It should be easy for him to describe exactly which stages he thinks have been missed.

Then the arguments over because he’s made a reasoned case based on his knowledge of scientific testing of pharmaceutical products.

Or, of course, he’s talking out his arse.

@Foghead

I’m a cautious person by nature so I’m a bit nervous about the vaccine. I’m not against it at all it’s just I’d rather not take a brand new vaccine without more data. Besides, dh and I have had corona virus now so I’m hoping we’ve got immunity for a while. Apparently immunity after having it only lasts for 6 months? How can the vaccine last longer then? I think I have to do some learning.

There's absolutely no problem with being cautious, irrespective of the views expressed here. The OP's husband may be a bit of a conspiracy theorist but I've listened to a number of experts on TV who rightly advise that there's no telling what the side effects or long term issues may be. We won't know that for a number of years. That's the main difference between a conventional vaccine development/test regime and probably what the 20 year discussion comes from. Longer trial/test periods cover long term effects so there'll be a lot more observation with the first test patients to ensure they act quickly if any adverse effects arise.

Sure testing has been done diligently but the other aspect that never gets discussed is the amount of pressure scientists are put under to deliver an outcome. Pressure that not many of us have experience of.

It's difficult to make reasoned judgement when it's all black and white but the fact remains that under 50's are unlikely to see the vaccine for a while and under 20's ever, unless you're in a high risk group. While the vaccine may be safe, the risk of under 50's dying from the virus is so low that freak response could be more significant. Therefore it's completely reasonable for under 50's to not want it.

I probably won't take it unless trials show that it significantly reduces or eliminates transmission to others. The virus is terrible for a very small percentage of the population but mostly harmless to the rest. The figures clearly show this.

There's nothing wrong with questioning anything. In fact, people do not question things enough these days (possibly due to a rabid minority who go for the jugular if you do).

However, if something is worth questioning, then apply some critical thinking skills. Research. Just standing there saying 'I dont understand it, I dont like it, I won't partake' is toddler behaviour. There's plenty of evidence that the vaccine has been in work for years (just not for specifically for the CV19 strain).

If it's 'all about money', why destroy the world economy? As for 'a minimal amount of people get it', that's not conspiracy theory, that's just the thought process of an unsympathetic arsehole. Thousands of people in this country died directly due to the virus, many thousands more will suffer a lifetime of aftereffects. So many families started this year as normally as one could, will be spending this Christmas without Mum, Dad, Auntie, brother, some have lost all of those and more. Perhaps if he cannot wrap his head around anything else, he can at least remember that (even if the number is insignificant to him).

@endofthelinefinally

I posted information about the Royal Society of Medicine public broadcast this week. It was excellent and pitched at a level that everyone could understand. (The explanation of the vaccine was particularly good). Somebody reported my post and got it deleted. Yet so much rubbish and scaremongering is allowed to stand.

@endofthelinefinally

Why did it get reported?

I’ll have to try to find the link myself.

@CordeliaCroft

The people who distrust vaccines are usually putting eloquent arguments like “I don’t want to out stuff in my body” while sitting there vaping or drinking gin

Exactly! With all the drinking and drugs I did in my youth at least I know what's in this vaccine 😅

Hope you're doing ok @Foghead and not suffering from covid-19

Weirdly I had a conversation with my daughters consultant today as obviously there is no trials on children ( like many things that then end up being extended to children )

Pfizer are now trialling in the over 12s

I question the likely hood of her getting the vaccine and he was like not the Phitzer one at all as it’s not as safe

It's not available to DC, even highly vulnerable ones at present. The question on it's safety will be an individual call based on the pre-existing condition that has led your DC to require cinsuitantncare.

but the oxford one of rolled out likely hood is she could as it is based on previous vaccinations

The Oxford one will be the first time the adenovirus carrier has been used in humans (its only in use in one veterinary jab to date). Like the mRNA jab, it is based on technology that was already in development for human vaccines and in use in other medical conditions (eg cancer therapies). As neither technique is brand new to wider medical science, consultants and the Royal Colleges will indeed have a good idea which vaccine might be the more suitable for their patients.

The reasons it got made quicker are simple.

1. They actually got the money quickly to develop it, they didn't have to apply several times to get funding.

1. Any time it needed approval by a board, rather than sit there scratching their asses, ordering coffees and generally wasting time, they did their job quickly and got it approved.

1. More people probably volunteered to help with this than they ever normally do, for being test subjects, because of the media involvement.

You don't need to do your own 'research'. I do hate that phrase, you're not a scientist lol. What makes you think you know better to even need to question it? Chances are you wouldn't even understand one of their publications, nor would your husband.

The ones on FB saying it are hilarious. Completely convinced they know better. Yes I will totally believe you, the person who dropped out of high school and smokes weed daily, over a scientist who has an education. That's a no brainer, the paranoid idiot is right everytime.

Cottagepieandpeas
It was reported as spam.
After a bit of too and froing I was allowed to put it in the coronavirus topic, but I think it just got lost.
If you google the RSM website or you tube it is on there.

I was initially a bit worried but I feel like it was fuelled by other people's hysteria rather than my own. Someone then said, people eat so much processed food every day, nobody has a clue how that's produced, pesticides on the vegetables and how the animals are raised is disgusting and in what condition, given antibiotics routinely, we drink alcohol, lots of people take drugs and we are worried about the vaccine. It did make sense in a way.