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Was this mean of me?

233 replies

CrotchBurn · 10/12/2020 06:08

Okay, so I have a friend who is a single mother to two boys. Her job doesn't pay very well at all, and so when we go out, I'll often just pick up the tab, maybe 5 times out of 10. Then maybe 4 times out of 10 we'll go halves, and once every 10 times she'll pick up the tab. I'm fairly comfortable but not loaded. Over the years it has slightly grated on me that she often wont make any move whatsoever to reach for her wallet. She also does stuff like pinch my smokes but in such a nice way I camt say anything. She can also do some stuff that i frankly find weird, such as the time people sent her cheques for her sons communion, she didnt cash them, then two years decided to cash them and called everyone to ask them to write new ones 😂👀👀👀

So anyway, she helped me move house, and we went for lunch that day (I paid). I also bought her a bouquet from a proper florist (not garage flowers) to say thank you.

So a few days later she was in town for something, and I said why dont we go out for a bite to eat once you're done (note the phrasing), it's on me.

She comes around later and in the meantime I had had some fuck up with my flat and was quite frazzled. I quickly got my phone out and googled for something nearby (I didnt know the area yet). I found an italian and thought great, pizza would be just the thing.

We get to the restaurant, step inside and are instantly whisked away to table, all while I'm clocking the place and thinking "oh fuck". This wasnt the mom and pop pizza and pasta joint I had expected at all, it was a proper posh italian restaurants with white tablecloths and osso bucco, convoluted risotto etc.

We sit down and I immediately say to her "fuck, this is much higher end than I expected. I'm massively underdressed" (I was wearing clothes I'd been cleaning the flat in).

The waiter comes over and she proceeds to fucking go wild! She orders an Aperol spritz as an aperitif (okay...) then when he comes back, she proceeds to order a starter and has already aired thoughts on dessert after the main, too. The final straw for me came when the waiter said what would you like to drink with your main?

She orders a bottle of prosecco!!! I'm not even going to get into how wrong it is (IMO) to have prosecco with your food (isnt that a kind of aperitif wine? Anyway, off topic). At this stage I'm quite pissed off, mainly because she wouldnt be ordering any of this if it was her paying. I'm frustrated with the flat, frustrated with me not having checked the restaurant properly beforehand and also frustrated with her.

So I said: "Look this is way higher end than I expected, and it's also way more than I thought you would order, so we're going to have to go halves this time". Because I was angry I said it in quite a cold way.

She looked fucking crushed, so hurt. I felt terrible. At the end of the meal, I just paid for it all. I felt so bad. I felt I had really been mean and ruined the evening. Even though I ended up paying for it anyway, I still feel bad like I didnt have a generous attitude.

So what do you think?
And by the way, for the covid detectives on the early shift: this happened between lockdowns.

OP posts:
stackemhigh · 10/12/2020 18:31

Just come back to say all the ‘it’s weirdly written’ people have fucked off haven’t they? Didn’t have anything constructive to say apart from trying to kick the OP.

CrotchBurn · 10/12/2020 18:56

@stackemhigh

Yeah...I still don't quite get that 🤔 Although obviously it would be impossible to find my own style weird, even objectively I dont get it!

What's weird about this thread was that the majority voted YANBU but the comments were easily split. IMO it's not exactly a clear cut issue

OP posts:
phoenixrosehere · 10/12/2020 18:59

I think you were a bit mean however if you two are really friends she would have noticed this wasn’t what you had expected and either asked you if you were sure about the restaurant or would have kept it light.

My best friend and I know what the other can afford and both of us would keep it within a range acceptable for both of us regardless who is more well-off. If I said what you did my friend would agree and we would find somewhere else. Heck, she would say something about the restaurant before I did.

JingsMahBucket · 10/12/2020 19:09

@CrotchBurn
What's weird about this thread was that the majority voted YANBU but the comments were easily split. IMO it's not exactly a clear cut issue

I think what that says to me is that the CF / grifters on MN are more willing to argue their corner in the comments than others who agree with you.

JingsMahBucket · 10/12/2020 19:12

I mean, as in they're trying to explain away their own unreasonable behaviour. Pretty much all decorum says that if somebody's treating you, you don't go mad ordering multiple courses on the menu unless approved first. Lots of posters on here are trying to shunt that to the side and blame you for not being overly explicit and assuage their brazenness.

MerchantOfVenom · 10/12/2020 19:20

Absolutely incredible, isn’t it?

I’ve never encounters anything like this IRL, presumably because I associate with people who have the very basic understanding of how things work.

Ferrari458 · 10/12/2020 19:25

"Ferrari458 were you not embarrassed to be treated every single time?"

No absolutely not. Early on in our friendship she wanted to go to a nice restaurant and said that she was happy to pay for both of use when she took us somewhere nice because she knew that financially I couldn't "keep up".

It's not all about money. In ways that didn't cost lots of dosh I did a lot to help her. As I said, I always drove when we did anything, including when we went on a trip to Dorset. It was fine, a balancing act. I always brought the snacks and lunches that were in my sort of budget. I took her little treats from the garden and my backing. Funnily enough I helped her decorate her bedroom. If you view it just as - oh, she spent £30 on you last month and you only spent £5 on her then you could say it wasn't fair. If you looked at how I happily helped her with things (she was a fair bit older than me) then yes, I think I had nothing to be ashamed of.

I just can't help wondering with stories like this, what would the other party have to say?

Ferrari458 · 10/12/2020 19:26

Oh, and I tended to order similar sort of food to her, or something a bit cheaper. Grin

billy1966 · 10/12/2020 19:57

OP,
You sound totally reasonable.

In a similar situation I would be both shocked and well pissed off at someone I consider a friend being so rude and taking advantage of my generosity.

She was very rude.

Lesson learnt🙄

Saz12 · 10/12/2020 20:02

i don’t think it’s as easy as “she’s just sponging off you” though. If her budget is a pint in ‘spoons and a chippy on the way home, then of course meals out are going to be difficult. Something has to give.

The only time I’ve experienced this apparent disparity as an issue was my permanently “skint” friend who never paid her own way. Then she bought a lovely, expensive house with a tiny mortgage and was very snooty about how great she was at saving. I don’t see her anymore....,

Saz12 · 10/12/2020 20:03

... but of course ordering 3 courses and an entire bottle of prosecco is taking the piss.

MerchantOfVenom · 10/12/2020 20:27

@Saz12

... but of course ordering 3 courses and an entire bottle of prosecco is taking the piss.
Well, yes, this is the entire point.

If the friend hadn’t been SUCH a CF, this entire situation would have been avoided, the OP would never have said what she said, CF wouldn’t have been (self-inflicted) mortified, and she’d have gone off happily full up on yet another nice, free lunch, courtesy of the OP.

But instead, there’s now underlying ill-feeling, and probably not that many more free loading lunches for CF.

Lose-lose all round.

WiddlinDiddlin · 10/12/2020 20:34

I think it was mean to let her expect you were paying for something then bring it up after she's ordered.

Its mean to be resentful of her behaviour when you have effectively set up those expectations you now resent.

If she's your friend.. talk to her!

thevassal · 10/12/2020 20:41

@LuckyNumberThirteen

This is weirdly written.
Agree. What's a "mom and pop pizza and pasta joint" Confused

Hard one really. Yes she sounds like she was massively taking the piss and I would never go all out with that but
a) she had helped you out with the move
b) You offered to pay before you went out
c) You suggested the restaurant - she probably assumed you knew how expensive it was and was happy to pay
d) If you weren't willing to pay you should have said as soon as you realised how expensive it was not after you'd already sat down and she'd ordered two drinks and a starter! If you know she doesn't have much money how the hell was she supposed to pay for that!
e) You being "pissed off with the flat" and "pissed off with yourself" about the restaurant mix up are nothing to do with her and not your fault

Basically she shouldn't have been a cheeky fucker and tried to get her money's worth out of you, but you should have just stopped her as soon as she'd ordered the drink and starter and said "Look this is a lot more expensive than I thought it would be. I'm happy to still pay but can only afford one drink and a normal main, if you want starters, prosecco or dessert you can pay the extra." Then everyone would know where they stood rather than you springing it on her half way through and then changing your mind again! Plus you would have ended up paying less than you actually did and you wouldn't have had the awkwardness.

stackemhigh · 10/12/2020 20:46

@CrotchBurn oh jeez another one. 😂 I think those people are just insecure with their own writing ability.

JingsMahBucket · 10/12/2020 20:48

@stackemhigh seriously. Who on earth doesn't know what a "mom and pop pizza joint" is? 🙄 These people are trying too hard to be obtuse.

stackemhigh · 10/12/2020 20:50

@JingsMahBucket exactly! And yet they’ll happily say ‘grown ass woman’ on other threads.

MerchantOfVenom · 10/12/2020 20:53

I think it was mean to let her expect you were paying for something then bring it up after she's ordered.

Yet somehow, you don’t think it was mean of CF friend to take the absolute piss, ordering three courses, aperitifs and bottles of Prosecco. Hmm

Very telling who the absolute takers are on this thread...

nanbread · 10/12/2020 20:58

No one's perfect. You snapped, presumably apologised, and paid.

She on the other hand seems to be repeatedly taking advantage of your good nature... Unintentionally or not.

I'd definitely stick to coffee or home visits in future.

impossible · 10/12/2020 21:04

I don't think you can complain if you invite her for a meal which then turns out to be more expensive than you thought. Nonetheless, she is clearly insensitive and presumes you are well able to afford the various treats. An imbalance in income between friends is always likely to be awkward as the wealthier friend will end up paying for the poorer as they enjoy
friend's companyy.
If you feel any resentment you need to be clearer about your financial situation and perhaps do cheaper things together - walks perhaps and coffee instead of meals. She sounds like a friend you want to keep so just be more transparent.

jabice · 10/12/2020 21:07

I can't believe people are saying you are being unreasonable!

Yes, you offered to pay, but it's so rude of her to expect that you will always pay. Even more rude that she picks loads of stuff off the menu and then orders Prosecco!! Any time a friend has offered to pay for food for me, I always get one of the cheapest things on the menu.

thevassal · 10/12/2020 21:07

[quote stackemhigh]@JingsMahBucket exactly! And yet they’ll happily say ‘grown ass woman’ on other threads.[/quote]
I can honestly say I've never, ever, used the phrase grown ass woman Grin. While I can make a guess at what 'mom and pop pizza joint means' this is from previously living in the US - I have never heard it used in the UK. Why would, you, it doesn't make sense - we don't have pops and only certain regions have moms....why not use "family run" or "cheap and cheerful" or a phrase that actually has context in the country you are living in....

And I write for a living so not particularly worried about my skills in that area, thanks....[sceptical]

CrotchBurn · 10/12/2020 21:17

@stackemhigh
I was about to tag you before I saw your reply 🤣

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MerchantOfVenom · 10/12/2020 21:21

While I can make a guess at what 'mom and pop pizza joint means' this is from previously living in the US - I have never heard it used in the UK.

You made a guess at what it means? Well done for figuring it out, it sure was cryptic. Grin

I’m in neither the UK, nor the US, and don’t use either Mom or Pop, but it didn’t even occur to me to wonder about it - it was quite clear what the OP meant.

Such a bizarre thing to fixate on.

Brefugee · 10/12/2020 21:25

you should have left when you realised it was too expensive