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Was this mean of me?

233 replies

CrotchBurn · 10/12/2020 06:08

Okay, so I have a friend who is a single mother to two boys. Her job doesn't pay very well at all, and so when we go out, I'll often just pick up the tab, maybe 5 times out of 10. Then maybe 4 times out of 10 we'll go halves, and once every 10 times she'll pick up the tab. I'm fairly comfortable but not loaded. Over the years it has slightly grated on me that she often wont make any move whatsoever to reach for her wallet. She also does stuff like pinch my smokes but in such a nice way I camt say anything. She can also do some stuff that i frankly find weird, such as the time people sent her cheques for her sons communion, she didnt cash them, then two years decided to cash them and called everyone to ask them to write new ones 😂👀👀👀

So anyway, she helped me move house, and we went for lunch that day (I paid). I also bought her a bouquet from a proper florist (not garage flowers) to say thank you.

So a few days later she was in town for something, and I said why dont we go out for a bite to eat once you're done (note the phrasing), it's on me.

She comes around later and in the meantime I had had some fuck up with my flat and was quite frazzled. I quickly got my phone out and googled for something nearby (I didnt know the area yet). I found an italian and thought great, pizza would be just the thing.

We get to the restaurant, step inside and are instantly whisked away to table, all while I'm clocking the place and thinking "oh fuck". This wasnt the mom and pop pizza and pasta joint I had expected at all, it was a proper posh italian restaurants with white tablecloths and osso bucco, convoluted risotto etc.

We sit down and I immediately say to her "fuck, this is much higher end than I expected. I'm massively underdressed" (I was wearing clothes I'd been cleaning the flat in).

The waiter comes over and she proceeds to fucking go wild! She orders an Aperol spritz as an aperitif (okay...) then when he comes back, she proceeds to order a starter and has already aired thoughts on dessert after the main, too. The final straw for me came when the waiter said what would you like to drink with your main?

She orders a bottle of prosecco!!! I'm not even going to get into how wrong it is (IMO) to have prosecco with your food (isnt that a kind of aperitif wine? Anyway, off topic). At this stage I'm quite pissed off, mainly because she wouldnt be ordering any of this if it was her paying. I'm frustrated with the flat, frustrated with me not having checked the restaurant properly beforehand and also frustrated with her.

So I said: "Look this is way higher end than I expected, and it's also way more than I thought you would order, so we're going to have to go halves this time". Because I was angry I said it in quite a cold way.

She looked fucking crushed, so hurt. I felt terrible. At the end of the meal, I just paid for it all. I felt so bad. I felt I had really been mean and ruined the evening. Even though I ended up paying for it anyway, I still feel bad like I didnt have a generous attitude.

So what do you think?
And by the way, for the covid detectives on the early shift: this happened between lockdowns.

OP posts:
flaviaritt · 10/12/2020 09:12

Not order starters and bottles of fizz.

Starters for lunch in a nice restaurant is hardly beyond the pale. I agree she should have taken her lead from the OP and not ordered a bottle. But a plate of arancini does not a CF make.

MerchantOfVenom · 10/12/2020 09:14

And it just bears repeating - there would have been zero need for any sort of ‘humiliating’ or ‘embarrassing’ anyone, if CF friend had an ounce of social cop on, and ordered in a reasonable way.

This was entirely avoidable.

Iwonder08 · 10/12/2020 09:14

You are in the wrong, OP. You explicitly offered to take her out and suggested it is on you, you also chose the restaurant. You know she doesn't generally offer to pay. What did you expect? Also I think it is rude to invite someone out and then comment on how much they ordered and suggest they should pay.
If you don't like her not paying her way(and I wouldn't entertain such a friend at all) don't go to restaurants with her. Can't you meet at home or go to a park instead?

Roussette · 10/12/2020 09:15

you've said that if she had asked about the prosecco you'd have been enthusiastic

Where did the OP say that, have I missed something?

MerchantOfVenom · 10/12/2020 09:15

But a plate of arancini does not a CF make.

Being paid for practically every time they go out, and then topping it off with this little performance, absolutely does a CF make.

flaviaritt · 10/12/2020 09:15

MerchantOfVenom

There was no ‘need’ to humiliate her at all. The OP offered her a treat, the friend accepted. She was slightly cheeky with her ordering. There is no suggestion that the OP couldn’t actually afford to pay - she was just angry - and thus her reaction was vengeful, not borne out of any necessity at all.

flaviaritt · 10/12/2020 09:17

Being paid for practically every time they go out, and then topping it off with this little performance, absolutely does a CF make.

I agree she is a bit cheeky. It’s the outrage about starters that I’m talking about. Ordering more than one course when someone offers to treat you isn’t cheeky. A nice meal with a friend is a two course affair, surely, or where is the time to relax and chat?

CrotchBurn · 10/12/2020 09:17

@flaviaritt
You're purposelfully minimising. It wasnt a plate of arancini, it was that and a bottle of fizz and a cocktail with plans for dessert. Dont make it out like I'm irrationally tight please.

OP posts:
Schoolchoicesucks · 10/12/2020 09:18

@Rousette at 8.20

Roussette · 10/12/2020 09:18

Slightly cheeky?

I'd love to know what very cheeky is then! Champagne instead of Prosecco, two cocktails instead of one before the meal, and the oysters I presume Grin

flaviaritt · 10/12/2020 09:19

It wasn’t a plate of arancini, it was that and a bottle of fizz and a cocktail with plans for dessert. Dont make it out like I'm irrationally tight please.

I wasn’t. I was commenting on people suggesting ordering more than one course is ‘cheeky’. I agree the extras were a bit cheeky. And I don’t think you are right, I think you were cruel.

MerchantOfVenom · 10/12/2020 09:19

I agree she is a bit cheeky. It’s the outrage about starters that I’m talking about. Ordering more than one course when someone offers to treat you isn’t cheeky. A nice meal with a friend is a two course affair, surely, or where is the time to relax and chat?

Confused

She ordered three courses.

Plus aperitifs.

Plus a bottle of Prosecco.

Why are you minimising this?

If CF friend had behaved like a normal person, none of this would have even happened.

flaviaritt · 10/12/2020 09:21

Champagne instead of Prosecco, two cocktails instead of one before the meal, and the oysters I presume grin

Well, yes!

flaviaritt · 10/12/2020 09:21

MerchantOfVenom

I’m not. She was cheeky. And IMO the OP was petty and cruel.

Roussette · 10/12/2020 09:21

Who orders a starter when there's just two of you and the other person isn't and the other person is paying?
Ditto cocktails
Ditto prosecco

As I said before, when I've been treated (rare!) I mirror what the person paying for it does.

CharityDingle · 10/12/2020 09:22

@Roussette

You can’t renege whilst at the table after she has ordered everything. Is she is hard up that must have made her feel awful

Who orders everything though?
What normal person... when being treated to a meal.. goes all out with cocktails and bottles of prosecco? Just rude. It is really not OK to do that.
Good she felt awful. She took advantage.

And she even took advantage after the OP said 'oh shit, this place is far more expensive than I thought it would be'
What nice friend does that?

Exactly.

OP. It sounds like she played you, and so you ended up wondering if you were mean. She was downright cheeky ordering all of that, and knew exactly what she was doing.
Hurt bunny look from her, when you said what you did, and you immediately pulled back from it. She is one to watch, from now on.

MerchantOfVenom · 10/12/2020 09:22

The OP wouldn’t have had to be ‘cruel’ (hardly!) if CF friend had behaved like a normal person.

GrandTheftWalrus · 10/12/2020 09:23

Have you posted about this before? Seems very familiar

MerchantOfVenom · 10/12/2020 09:23

Gosh, who cares if it’s been posted before?

CrotchBurn · 10/12/2020 09:23

@flaviaritt
If you think that's a "bit cheeky" then I can only assume you're the sort to go through life expecting to be paid for. It's not a bit cheeky, its fucking entitled. And I wasnt cruel, I was mean in the heat of the moment. Cruel would have been to let her pay her half anyway.

OP posts:
MerchantOfVenom · 10/12/2020 09:24

Cruel would have been to let her pay her half anyway

Exactly.

JingsMahBucket · 10/12/2020 09:25

@CrotchBurn YANBU and your writing style is just fine. Ignore those trying to nail you on that one thing.

Ferrari458 · 10/12/2020 09:25

You were rude. You invited her out to eat, telling her that it was on you. You chose the restaurant. Then you made a dig about it being high end. Then you told her she had to go halves. She may have looked crushed for many reasons at that point.
In this case when you got to the restaurant no excuses - you look in the door, realise it's "high end", laugh and go somewhere else. Or if you're daft enough to go in and take a table you look at the menu, laugh and say "Oops! A bit over budget, is it OK with you if we just have pizza as planned?"
Going forward - yes she is taking advantage a bit, but it's a situation you created. So gently get into the habit of going halves all the time and just treat her for her birthday or other special occasions.

flaviaritt · 10/12/2020 09:26

CrotchBurn

Nobody pays for anything for me. But yes, telling her halfway through the meal that you were going back on your offer was unkind: mean, cruel, whatever you want to call it.

baubled · 10/12/2020 09:26

The OP made it clear it was higher than she expected at the start, anyone with a bit of sense would offer to go halves (if they can afford!) or order sensibly and take note of what the person paying is ordering before diving straight in to the alcohol menu!

Honestly OP I can 100% see why you said what you did, it's bad enough that she lets you pay as much as you do (unless you're the one who asks to go out every time) let alone taking advantage of it. Maybe the crushed look was because she suddenly realised how much money a fucking bottle of Prosecco would be on top of 3 courses!

What did she say when you paid the bill at the end?