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AIBU?

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Was this mean of me?

233 replies

CrotchBurn · 10/12/2020 06:08

Okay, so I have a friend who is a single mother to two boys. Her job doesn't pay very well at all, and so when we go out, I'll often just pick up the tab, maybe 5 times out of 10. Then maybe 4 times out of 10 we'll go halves, and once every 10 times she'll pick up the tab. I'm fairly comfortable but not loaded. Over the years it has slightly grated on me that she often wont make any move whatsoever to reach for her wallet. She also does stuff like pinch my smokes but in such a nice way I camt say anything. She can also do some stuff that i frankly find weird, such as the time people sent her cheques for her sons communion, she didnt cash them, then two years decided to cash them and called everyone to ask them to write new ones 😂👀👀👀

So anyway, she helped me move house, and we went for lunch that day (I paid). I also bought her a bouquet from a proper florist (not garage flowers) to say thank you.

So a few days later she was in town for something, and I said why dont we go out for a bite to eat once you're done (note the phrasing), it's on me.

She comes around later and in the meantime I had had some fuck up with my flat and was quite frazzled. I quickly got my phone out and googled for something nearby (I didnt know the area yet). I found an italian and thought great, pizza would be just the thing.

We get to the restaurant, step inside and are instantly whisked away to table, all while I'm clocking the place and thinking "oh fuck". This wasnt the mom and pop pizza and pasta joint I had expected at all, it was a proper posh italian restaurants with white tablecloths and osso bucco, convoluted risotto etc.

We sit down and I immediately say to her "fuck, this is much higher end than I expected. I'm massively underdressed" (I was wearing clothes I'd been cleaning the flat in).

The waiter comes over and she proceeds to fucking go wild! She orders an Aperol spritz as an aperitif (okay...) then when he comes back, she proceeds to order a starter and has already aired thoughts on dessert after the main, too. The final straw for me came when the waiter said what would you like to drink with your main?

She orders a bottle of prosecco!!! I'm not even going to get into how wrong it is (IMO) to have prosecco with your food (isnt that a kind of aperitif wine? Anyway, off topic). At this stage I'm quite pissed off, mainly because she wouldnt be ordering any of this if it was her paying. I'm frustrated with the flat, frustrated with me not having checked the restaurant properly beforehand and also frustrated with her.

So I said: "Look this is way higher end than I expected, and it's also way more than I thought you would order, so we're going to have to go halves this time". Because I was angry I said it in quite a cold way.

She looked fucking crushed, so hurt. I felt terrible. At the end of the meal, I just paid for it all. I felt so bad. I felt I had really been mean and ruined the evening. Even though I ended up paying for it anyway, I still feel bad like I didnt have a generous attitude.

So what do you think?
And by the way, for the covid detectives on the early shift: this happened between lockdowns.

OP posts:
itsgettingaberrylikechristmas · 10/12/2020 10:46

I had a friend like this. She only wanted me, when she needed my toilet, or money. She had an expensive life style, considering her position and I started to loose my rag with her. In the end I fell out with her, because she wouldn't take responsibility for her money.

Lostinthemail · 10/12/2020 10:56

Wow she’s taking the piss big time. I loathe people who order the most expensive thing just because they know someone else is paying. Find yourself better friends OP!

Itsallpointless · 10/12/2020 10:58

Isn’t this assuming the op had no personal responsibility here? And she’s not clarified what she ordered, I doubt the woman was sitting eating and drinking whilst the op watched

I think if my friend was picking up the tab, I'd have watched her eat/drink whatever she wanted..what a bizarre commentHmm

ruby4ever · 10/12/2020 11:08

She knew you didn't realise this was a proper high end restaurant, you made that clear when you got there. A good friend wouldve said let's go somewhere else more affordable. She's being cheeky ordering a Prosecco. She took advantage of you paying for it, I really don't like people doing this, taking advantage of your generosity when they wouldn't order that stuff had they been paying

Saz12 · 10/12/2020 12:06

6 of one and half a dozen of the other!

She went a bit nuts ordering, but you let her and THEN told her you’d be going halves. In a restaurant she couldn’t afford after telling her it was a treat on you.

She should have checked what you were having and taken her lead from that. You should have said “this place is way more expensive than I’d budgeted for, can we just do main courses or shall we go somewhere cheaper?” or similar.

She can’t afford to eat out as much as you. You’re options are to do something free /cheap with her or pay for her or see her less. She should be saying “I can’t afford that, let’s go for a walk/whatever instead”.

Aprilx · 10/12/2020 12:17

Those of you saying the OP is being unreasonable, would you behave like the friend.

If somebody offers to take me out for lunch I would presume I can pick what I want from the food menu. I would leave alcohol ordering to the host. I would not appreciate being told I am being treated to lunch, taken to an expensive restaurant I had no say in picking and then being told I need to go halves. For that, OP is being very unreasonable.

More generally, if I were the friend, I would not allow the situation where OP is continually picking up the tab, I would be embarrassed to do that. But OP has allowed this to happen and I don’t think it is right to willingly keep offering to pay whilst simultaneously resenting it. I think the friend is taking OP for granted and OP needs to reset expectations.

Cocomarine · 10/12/2020 12:19

You were wrong to tell her she had to pay halves, when that wasn’t your promise and you hadn’t budgeted for it.
She’s also rude for ordering so much, but as you chose the place, it’s reasonable for her to assume you were OK with the cost. Especially as your hints centred on being overdressed! The problem here is you just not being open.

It would have been so easy to just say, “bloody hell would you look at these prices! I thought it was just a pizza place... I can’t afford more than mains... shall we do that, or split and find Domino’s?”

If she’s on a tight budget, thinking she was having to pay half of that might have been really worrying for her.

Plus you’re default the unreasonable for coming out with snobby claptrap about what drink is suitable 🙄

Batshitkerazy · 10/12/2020 12:19

This is the first AIBU post when I am completely on the fence. She was undoubtedly a CF but you were unreasonable to offer and then change your mind. Definitely one to learn from for the future, and establish new boundaries for next year

Copernico · 10/12/2020 12:43

You’re completely in the wrong for offering to pay and then reneging on that offer. I truly don’t see how anyone can defend that. (I understand you ultimately did pay, but that is so awkward!)

Obviously you need to reset expectations with your friend but the time to do that wasn’t after a meal you’d offered to pay.

FWIW when I offer to treat someone to a meal I like when they order expensive stuff. To me that is the point of treating someone! That they get to experience something that would be a burden for them otherwise. As long as it’s not to the point of waste, which wasn’t the case here.

ElizaLaLa · 10/12/2020 12:48

Shes rude. Incredibly so. You dont order top dollar on someone else's bill. You keep it reasonable. I'd stop paying for her.

Shamoo · 10/12/2020 13:27

You offered to pay, picked the venue, and only commented on the dress code (which is a different point to cost, for me at least). If you had a concern about the cost you absolutely should have said something as you looked at the menu.

Her ordering a bottle of Prosecco without aligning with you is out of order on her part, although i don’t understand why you didn’t say anything as she ordered it (“I won’t be drinking any of that and can’t afford to cover the cost”). In terms of a starter, I think if you didn’t want to pay for them you should have said (normally when out in any group we agree whether it’s starter or main situation).

So overall I don’t think she covered herself in glory but I think you are more to blame for what happened.

BigFatLiar · 10/12/2020 13:35

On this occasion...
You did offer to pay, you should have checked the prices.

firesong · 10/12/2020 13:38

I think you are right in what you said earlier: she was a bit cheeky choosing expensive stuff. And you were a bit mean suddenly withdrawing the offer to pay.

I'm confused about the "weirdly written" remarks, it all sounded fine to me...

CharlotteRose90 · 10/12/2020 14:13

Sorry but I definitely don’t think you are unreasonable. If I went out for a meal with my friend and they offered to pay I certainly wouldn’t order 3 courses and a bottle of Prosecco. Maybe if we both paid I would but in my eyes that’s damn right cheeky. She’s taking you for a mug cut her loose. Yes she helped you but normally lunch is a sandwich or pizza not a slap up meal.

Jenstar123 · 10/12/2020 14:40

YABU
You told her lunch was on you and you booked the restaurant. You should have said to your friend before ordering that you didn’t realise it was so expensive and about going halves, not wait till the end. She was probably excited that you had chosen a fancy place....1 drink then 1 bottle of Prosecco to share is hardly that over the top! I think it was quite cruel the way you went about it saying she needs to pay half because you were annoyed then paying it all anyway. It could have been avoided by checking the menu/prices before booking, that’s not your friends fault.

katy1213 · 10/12/2020 14:47

I'd have said, whoops, this is fancier than I expected - let's make our excuses and find somewhere else.

DarlingCoffee · 10/12/2020 14:53

OP, I think YABU as you did offer to pay but your friend is also being a CF for taking the piss with what she ordered! It sounds like she’s got very comfortable with you footing the bill in the past so if you want to keep her as a friend it’s time to establish some boundaries as otherwise I think she will probably keep taking advantage of you.

SharonasCorona · 10/12/2020 15:57

Even when we have free posh dinners through work we look to see who else is ordering cocktails / desserts / coffees before ordering ourselves. Someone treating you to a meal is not a license to take the piss.

Ferrari458 · 10/12/2020 15:57

I think context is everything and we only know Op's version of life. I had a friend who got quite rich in the UAE. We'd go out together and quite early on it was apparent that come time to eat I couldn't afford to splash out quite in the same way she could. So over time, because she wanted to eat more expensively than me and could afford to, she would pretty much always pay for meals in places where she liked eating. She said that she wanted to do it, it meant we could share good times together. In return I did what I could within my means - always brought the cuppas, the cake, the light lunches. I'd also take her little casual gifts like flowers from my garden, plants I'd potted up, veg, some baking... you get the picture. When we went anywhere I always drove. She never those things for me and all was good, I thought that there was balance.
One day she did to me pretty much what Op did here. She chose a restaurant, we ordered and ate then when the bill came she sort of snapped "Let's go halves this time, I can't pay yours all the time". I paid my half, which left me pretty much skint, but I was broken inside. I felt that the things I'd done for her hadn't been appreciated and that somewhere along the line where I felt we had been on a par she, like Op, had decided I was a scrounger.
So for a while we entered a phase of me saying "Oh no, let's not go there today, let's nip into Spoons for a change" before she moved abroad for good and the friendship petered out. I'm just saying that we only know half the story.

SharonasCorona · 10/12/2020 16:06

Your friend sounds mean @Ferrari458 . But it doesn’t sound like you were ordering lots of food and drink at her extra expense?

GoldieHelen · 10/12/2020 16:12

Ferrari458 were you not embarrassed to be treated every single time?

MerchantOfVenom · 10/12/2020 16:31

@GoldieHelen

Ferrari458 were you not embarrassed to be treated every single time?
Yes, were you? I would have been so uncomfortable with that arrangement. That is, continually being paid for every time we went somewhere nice.

And were you doing things like ordering aperitifs, three courses and bottles of Prosecco?

I’m guessing not. But even still, such a financially one-sided arrangement, is going to inevitably end in resentment. Lesson learnt.

Saz12 · 10/12/2020 17:13

But is it not also on the person who is very much better off to suggest cheaper places / activities? It’s not on to only arrange expensive meet ups with someone who you know can’t really afford it.
If a mate of mine never ate out due to cost then I’d not be suggesting meals out, I’d be suggesting coming to the house, for a walk, or to the pub or whatever.

Big financial differences can be really hard to get past.

MerchantOfVenom · 10/12/2020 17:23

But is it not also on the person who is very much better off to suggest cheaper places / activities?

Then it’s equally on the less well-off person to decline the invitation to the expensive place, and suggest other activities.

To continually be saying yes, let’s go to swanky X place, and then sitting back while the other person always foots the bill, is simply not OK.

I can’t believe anyone could defend this.

JingsMahBucket · 10/12/2020 18:16

@MerchantOfVenom this thread is showing how many grifters and resenters-of-well-off-friends there are on MN.

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