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Was this mean of me?

233 replies

CrotchBurn · 10/12/2020 06:08

Okay, so I have a friend who is a single mother to two boys. Her job doesn't pay very well at all, and so when we go out, I'll often just pick up the tab, maybe 5 times out of 10. Then maybe 4 times out of 10 we'll go halves, and once every 10 times she'll pick up the tab. I'm fairly comfortable but not loaded. Over the years it has slightly grated on me that she often wont make any move whatsoever to reach for her wallet. She also does stuff like pinch my smokes but in such a nice way I camt say anything. She can also do some stuff that i frankly find weird, such as the time people sent her cheques for her sons communion, she didnt cash them, then two years decided to cash them and called everyone to ask them to write new ones 😂👀👀👀

So anyway, she helped me move house, and we went for lunch that day (I paid). I also bought her a bouquet from a proper florist (not garage flowers) to say thank you.

So a few days later she was in town for something, and I said why dont we go out for a bite to eat once you're done (note the phrasing), it's on me.

She comes around later and in the meantime I had had some fuck up with my flat and was quite frazzled. I quickly got my phone out and googled for something nearby (I didnt know the area yet). I found an italian and thought great, pizza would be just the thing.

We get to the restaurant, step inside and are instantly whisked away to table, all while I'm clocking the place and thinking "oh fuck". This wasnt the mom and pop pizza and pasta joint I had expected at all, it was a proper posh italian restaurants with white tablecloths and osso bucco, convoluted risotto etc.

We sit down and I immediately say to her "fuck, this is much higher end than I expected. I'm massively underdressed" (I was wearing clothes I'd been cleaning the flat in).

The waiter comes over and she proceeds to fucking go wild! She orders an Aperol spritz as an aperitif (okay...) then when he comes back, she proceeds to order a starter and has already aired thoughts on dessert after the main, too. The final straw for me came when the waiter said what would you like to drink with your main?

She orders a bottle of prosecco!!! I'm not even going to get into how wrong it is (IMO) to have prosecco with your food (isnt that a kind of aperitif wine? Anyway, off topic). At this stage I'm quite pissed off, mainly because she wouldnt be ordering any of this if it was her paying. I'm frustrated with the flat, frustrated with me not having checked the restaurant properly beforehand and also frustrated with her.

So I said: "Look this is way higher end than I expected, and it's also way more than I thought you would order, so we're going to have to go halves this time". Because I was angry I said it in quite a cold way.

She looked fucking crushed, so hurt. I felt terrible. At the end of the meal, I just paid for it all. I felt so bad. I felt I had really been mean and ruined the evening. Even though I ended up paying for it anyway, I still feel bad like I didnt have a generous attitude.

So what do you think?
And by the way, for the covid detectives on the early shift: this happened between lockdowns.

OP posts:
Lovemusic33 · 10/12/2020 08:25

You are the one suggesting you eat out? She probably feels uncomfortable saying “no, I can’t afford it”?

Yes, she should say if she can’t afford it but it might be helpful if you stop suggesting eating out, getting a take away and going for coffee? Why not just invite her to yours for something to eat rather than going out.

You suggested the pizza, she had been helping you move so she assumed you would be paying?

I’m a single mum who doesn’t earn much, my friend sometimes pays for my food but usually because I’m the one driving to the location and because she offers and suggests a place to eat. I usually offer to pay at least half but she often refuses.

I’m not going to vote as I can see both sides to this. Just stop suggesting eating out.

honeylulu · 10/12/2020 08:26

Both unreasonable I think!

You should have managed her expectations when you realised it was going to be pricey. Hinting about your clothing wasn't clear enough. "Omg this is much more high end than I was expecting. Let's stick to just a main and a soft drink" would have done it.

But she was grabby. I hate that and I'm not surprised you snapped. Unfortunately you had already promised to "treat" her, and she was determined to make the most of her treat! Making her think you had changed the goalposts and she was going to have to pay spoilt the meal for both of you. Ouch.

I think if you want to preserve the friendship you need to think about what is and isn't acceptable to you and set some clear parameters in a pleasant way. I have a friend who isn't as well off as me (she chose to give up work to be a SAHM) and she takes it for granted that I will always pay. It would be nice if she made some small gesture such as getting coffees once in a while but she doesn't. Not only that she seems really narky and resentful that I've got more income. She will roll her eyes and huff if I mention in passing a holiday or something (not showing off, just telling a funny anecdote or something). Nevertheless she seems to feel entitled for me to spend my money on her and her children. It has slowly poisoned what was once a good, and very long, friendship. We don't see each other much now.

Roussette · 10/12/2020 08:33

honeylulu

Your last paragraph was exactly like my now ex friend. I paid for both of us to go on holiday, everything, flights, accommodation, the lot.
She flew in from a different airport and when I met her to pick her up, she squealed with excitement...
'Just wait till I show you the top I bought at Heathrow... it was £95 but hell, I'm on holiday and I love it!'
I felt so used. I would never in a million years pay £95 for a top, she was meant to be broke.
That was the beginning of the end to be honest.

I'm happy to be generous but not when someone takes advantage. Oh, and she only bought 50 euros for a weeks holiday spending money !

Nottherealslimshady · 10/12/2020 08:34

I do think you were right to pay in the end but I also think you were right to say that she needed to pay because of how much she'd ordered. I think that panic of "oh fuck I didn't want to pay for all this, I thought someone else was shouldering the cost, that's why I ordered so much" was good for her. Your actions have consequences. She was offered a meal as a treat, she took advantage of that, and the consequence was she was embarrassed when she was pulled up on it.
Think of how many opportunities she may have missed with that behaviour. Its greed really. you wont be the only person she's done it to and it leaves a sour taste.

Cheeseboardandmincepies · 10/12/2020 08:35

Simple in future when you go out you say I’m a bit skint, do you mind if we spilt the bill? BEFORE you go.
Find it very odd that you’re paying for her the majority of the time, she’s not a child. Stop being a people pleaser OP.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 10/12/2020 08:38

I voted YABU because you admit that she's not well off, when you suggested it you said the meal was on you AND you chose the restaurant. I agree with a PP that she probably thought that this was a "Thank you" for helping with your house move)

It's not her fault that you were:

a) pee'd off about your flat, and

b) hadn't bothered to Google the reviews of the place you chose (which would have shown you what tier (if I may use that now-hated word) of place you chose.

She just said "oh no, CrotchBurn, you shouldnt have, it was so expensive, you should have let us go halves"

So she did offer - you declined the offer and now you resent it? That's not her fault.

(I also couldn't work out whether you were in the USA or UK, FWIW)

(Nor do I know Prosecco etiquette, so I couldn't say whether she should have been ordering it with food or not).

You were U on this occasion. And you must have made her feel like sh1t.

S111n20 · 10/12/2020 08:40

She took the piss with her order.

OnePotato2Potato · 10/12/2020 08:45

Well she has certainly gotten used to you paying most of the time. On this occasion though it may have been a bit of confusion as she thought you were treating her out for helping with the flat.

MerchantOfVenom · 10/12/2020 08:50

I am not remotely grabby. I’m a ‘cheapest item on the menu’ girl when someone else is paying. That isn’t the point.

It’s exactly the point!?

The ONLY reason the OP reneged on paying was because her friend was an entitled, greedy cheeky fucker. Confused

If she hadn’t been ordering up big time, adding aperitifs, entrées, mains, desserts and prosecco to the bill, the OP would’ve sucked up the mistake of going to an expensive restaurant, and paid up for both of them, no questions asked.

But no - CF ‘friend’ had to completely overplay her hand. If she hadn’t been quite so in the wrong, she would never have been put in a position to be rightly embarrassed.

Bet she’ll think twice about being so greedy and entitled next time.

flaviaritt · 10/12/2020 08:52

MerchantOfVenom

Not the point. There is no excuse for saying you will pay for someone, allowing them to order things that are more expensive than you prefer, not saying anything at the time and then reneging on your offer. It is crass, mean and ill-mannered. When others behave badly, we don’t do the same because two wrongs don’t make a right.

FedUpAtHomeTroels · 10/12/2020 08:53

You had said it was a way more expensive place than you thought. Then she went ahead and ordered Prosecco, I'd have told the waiter no we aren't having prosecco, just soft drinks and pizza. Once she knew it was more expensive yet continued to order all sorts, she was just taking the piss. However you should have said something when she started to order stupid stuff. She's reallt not your friend shes a user. She should at least but you a coffee once in a while when you are out. Most proper friends would.

MerchantOfVenom · 10/12/2020 08:54

What is crass, mean and deeply ill-mannered and spending up large, like Diamond Jim Brady on someone else’s dime. Hmm

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flaviaritt · 10/12/2020 08:58

MerchantOfVenom

I agree the friend was ill-mannered. I don’t agree that her behaviour justified the OP’s.

MerchantOfVenom · 10/12/2020 08:58

I bet your cold comment to her made her feel about 2 inches small.

With any luck, it did. I just can’t fathom the sort of behaviour exhibited by the ‘friend’.

So, so rude.

Mouldiwarp1 · 10/12/2020 09:01

Sounds like she got carried away Op. Yes appears she was rather grabby, but maybe because YOU picked a more upmarket restaurant she thought it was a special treat?

If she’s a very good friend and you think it might make things awkward between you going forward (and assuming you don’t want this), I’d be inclined to give her a ring, apologise for being a bit harsh, but you were stressed because of problem with flat AND take the opportunity to mention that money is going to be tighter now because of said new flat. Then hopefully she’ll be more considerate in future.

MerchantOfVenom · 10/12/2020 09:02

I agree the friend was ill-mannered. I don’t agree that her behaviour justified the OP’s.

I honestly don’t know how I would’ve handled it.

But I would have felt so used and taken for granted by the ‘friend’ - which would make me feel hurt and angry.

I would probably seethe silently and pay up, which is perhaps why I sort of admire the OP for actually doing something about it.

SomeoneInTheLaaaaaounge · 10/12/2020 09:03

You can’t renege whilst at the table after she has ordered everything. Is she is hard up that must have made her feel awful.

The issue is here you haven’t figured out where the boundary lies and then are getting cross.

I empathise with you because once these arrangements get started it’s almost impossible to get back on an even keel.

flaviaritt · 10/12/2020 09:07

I would probably seethe silently and pay up, which is perhaps why I sort of admire the OP for actually doing something about it.

I do not admire her for humiliating her friend out of anger about a bottle of Prosecco and a starter. No.

Schoolchoicesucks · 10/12/2020 09:07

Hmm, you've said that if she had asked about the prosecco you'd have been enthusiastic.

Which makes me think you're annoyed that she wasn't suitably deferential or grateful to you. Not very flattering to you, OP.

AlternativePerspective · 10/12/2020 09:08

Putting aside the issue of you springing on her to pay half after you’d arrived at the restaurant, if someone else is paying then you don’t order the most expensive things on the menu, that is just bloody rude.

Years ago me and my DP met up with some people he knew and they suggested we go to dinner and recommended a steakhouse nearby. We went in and he said we really should have the fillet as it was delicious from there. So we duly ordered it, in the knowledge that it would be a bit expensive but what the hell.

When the bill arrived the bloke promptly just paid it. I was mortified. Would never in a million years have ordered an expensive fillet steak if I’d known he was planning to pay for it.... It’s just not the done thing.

steppemum · 10/12/2020 09:08

I understand your frustration, but I think that you needed to step in quicker.

So after the first order form her, I would have said - hold on, this is more expensive than I thought so we'll just have mains - OK? But hindsight is a wonderful thing.

I think it is a bit off to offer to pay and then say you must go halves, but then I think it is a bit off to order like that when someone else is paying and to be so thick skinned to not notice that you had said it was expensive.

You sound like a nice friend. I have a friend who does this to me, and I am very careful to not abuse it, or take it for granted, and as a result, she then insists (come on I'm taking you out to lunch, my treat, I insist type of thing)
It is a lovely thing to be on the receiving end of, but it is a fine line and she sounds as if she has crossed it.

Spied · 10/12/2020 09:09

Any decent person would have scaled down their order at an expensive place if they weren't the ones paying. Not order starters and bottles of fizz.
I'd not see her in the same way after that.
She's a greedy cheeky f**ker!

MerchantOfVenom · 10/12/2020 09:10

*I do not admire her for humiliating her friend out of anger about a bottle of Prosecco and a starter.

Come on, it’s not about ‘a bottle of Prosecco’ and ‘a starter’, as well you know.

The friend took the absolute piss. And the OP pays for her most times they go out, by a significant margin.

Again. I bet she won’t be spending up large with other people’s money again in a hurry.

Roussette · 10/12/2020 09:11

You can’t renege whilst at the table after she has ordered everything. Is she is hard up that must have made her feel awful

Who orders everything though?
What normal person... when being treated to a meal.. goes all out with cocktails and bottles of prosecco? Just rude. It is really not OK to do that.
Good she felt awful. She took advantage.

And she even took advantage after the OP said 'oh shit, this place is far more expensive than I thought it would be'
What nice friend does that?