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Was this mean of me?

233 replies

CrotchBurn · 10/12/2020 06:08

Okay, so I have a friend who is a single mother to two boys. Her job doesn't pay very well at all, and so when we go out, I'll often just pick up the tab, maybe 5 times out of 10. Then maybe 4 times out of 10 we'll go halves, and once every 10 times she'll pick up the tab. I'm fairly comfortable but not loaded. Over the years it has slightly grated on me that she often wont make any move whatsoever to reach for her wallet. She also does stuff like pinch my smokes but in such a nice way I camt say anything. She can also do some stuff that i frankly find weird, such as the time people sent her cheques for her sons communion, she didnt cash them, then two years decided to cash them and called everyone to ask them to write new ones 😂👀👀👀

So anyway, she helped me move house, and we went for lunch that day (I paid). I also bought her a bouquet from a proper florist (not garage flowers) to say thank you.

So a few days later she was in town for something, and I said why dont we go out for a bite to eat once you're done (note the phrasing), it's on me.

She comes around later and in the meantime I had had some fuck up with my flat and was quite frazzled. I quickly got my phone out and googled for something nearby (I didnt know the area yet). I found an italian and thought great, pizza would be just the thing.

We get to the restaurant, step inside and are instantly whisked away to table, all while I'm clocking the place and thinking "oh fuck". This wasnt the mom and pop pizza and pasta joint I had expected at all, it was a proper posh italian restaurants with white tablecloths and osso bucco, convoluted risotto etc.

We sit down and I immediately say to her "fuck, this is much higher end than I expected. I'm massively underdressed" (I was wearing clothes I'd been cleaning the flat in).

The waiter comes over and she proceeds to fucking go wild! She orders an Aperol spritz as an aperitif (okay...) then when he comes back, she proceeds to order a starter and has already aired thoughts on dessert after the main, too. The final straw for me came when the waiter said what would you like to drink with your main?

She orders a bottle of prosecco!!! I'm not even going to get into how wrong it is (IMO) to have prosecco with your food (isnt that a kind of aperitif wine? Anyway, off topic). At this stage I'm quite pissed off, mainly because she wouldnt be ordering any of this if it was her paying. I'm frustrated with the flat, frustrated with me not having checked the restaurant properly beforehand and also frustrated with her.

So I said: "Look this is way higher end than I expected, and it's also way more than I thought you would order, so we're going to have to go halves this time". Because I was angry I said it in quite a cold way.

She looked fucking crushed, so hurt. I felt terrible. At the end of the meal, I just paid for it all. I felt so bad. I felt I had really been mean and ruined the evening. Even though I ended up paying for it anyway, I still feel bad like I didnt have a generous attitude.

So what do you think?
And by the way, for the covid detectives on the early shift: this happened between lockdowns.

OP posts:
isitsnowingyet · 10/12/2020 06:55

I don't think you were being mean - maybe exasperated? Understandably.

Possibly just meet for coffee/drinks in future?!

stackemhigh · 10/12/2020 06:56

Is this U.K. or USA as I am guessing etiquette may be different in the USA. But @LuckyNumberThirteen* it’s correct it’s strangely written as you can’t pick up where you are from with a mix of Language from America and the U.K.

Really?! Its not strangely worded at all. I’m pretty sure OP is in UK, words like ‘tab’ and ‘smokes’ aren’t necessarily American.

Not sure why it’s relevant anyway, it’s rude to assume you can have an expensive aperitif, starter, main, dessert and a drink with dessert when you know someone has to pick up the ‘tab’, in any country.

pasturesgreen · 10/12/2020 06:57

Lots of irrelevant backstory to wade through, but you did say it was on you. Cheeky of her to order so much when she thought you were treating her, but I think on the whole you need to change arrangements.
Seen from the outside, it's obvious that you're starting to resent her a bit, and she's taking advantage.
I'd dial down the eating out for a bit and just meet at each other's houses for a cuppa or go for a socially distanced walk. Then review in a few months.

Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel · 10/12/2020 06:57

This is weirdly written

It really is...

CrotchBurn · 10/12/2020 06:59

I'm from the UK, I dont think theres anything weird about my language, unless you mean mom and pop? That's pretty transatlantic these days.

Agree with @stackemhigh that within Europe and English-speaking countries the etiquette isnt going to vary widely enough for this to be relevant

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Fluffybutter · 10/12/2020 07:02

I agree with @LuckyNumberThirteen, it is weirdly written and you can be as nasty about it as you like but it doesn’t change that.
It’s on you , you said you’d pay and you made the mistake of picking somewhere you couldn’t afford .
Stop paying in future , problem solved .

stackemhigh · 10/12/2020 07:03

@CrotchBurn there’s nothing weird about your writing, except that you’ve dared to use a wider vocabulary and got some posters’ backs up for some reason Grin

altforvarmt · 10/12/2020 07:04

The time to communicate that this was a more expensive restaurant that you’d planned was when you sat down. Yes, she was being taking advantage, but she didn’t know it was more upmarket than you’d expected. You invited her to the meal then, after ordering, demanded to go halves - this is really poor behaviour on your part.

You’ve allowed the tone of this to be set for some time, and this was not the way to address it.

stackemhigh · 10/12/2020 07:04

it is weirdly written and you can be as nasty about it as you like but it doesn’t change that.

I think it’s nasty to pick on somebody for the way she writes. Take a look in the mirror before pointing fingers.

Beautiful3 · 10/12/2020 07:07

You said "it's on me" before you went. When you realised your mistake, you should have said, "oh sorry I didn't realise this was an expensive place, let go else where". You cant really ask for half after you've ordered as she may not be able to afford it. Perhaps from now on, always state we ll go halves, before going out for a meal. Only pay for all of it when it's a special occasion e g it's her birthday.

flaviaritt · 10/12/2020 07:11

You told her it was on you, took her to a fancy restaurant, let her order, and then told her she had to pay?

Shock

Yes, she is a bit cheeky for over-ordering (though to be fair you asked her out for lunch and then she ordered... lunch) but you can’t behave like that, OP! Yes, it was mean.

WunWun · 10/12/2020 07:12

You've let her do it for all these years, so it's on you really 🤷‍♀️

Kippure · 10/12/2020 07:15

@Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel

This is weirdly written

It really is...

I think it’s weirdly written, too. Or maybe it’s the combination of the assumption that a randomly-chosen Italian restaurant is going to be a cheap ‘mom and pop’ pizza/pasta joint with the subsequent disdain for the Aperol spritz and — the horror! — her friend accompanying food with Prosecco.
MerchantOfVenom · 10/12/2020 07:16

Those of you saying the OP is being unreasonable, would you behave like the friend?

Go in and order aperitifs, entrée, main, dessert AND a bottle of prosecco ... ??

If so, you’re an unmitigated cheeky fucker Hmm

Stop taking advantage of your friends, and put your hand in your own pocket, once in a while.

KatherineJaneway · 10/12/2020 07:17

YABU.

You chose the restaurant
You offered to pay

If it was too expensive when you got there, you should have said something.

stackemhigh · 10/12/2020 07:20

Lots of Little Britain types on this thread.

Bluntness100 · 10/12/2020 07:21

I just don’t understand why when you realised it was more expensive you only commented on your clothing. Then sat and watched her order, knowing she couldn’t afford to pay half and you’d offered snd chosen the venue, then hit her with you need to pay now.

When you were both at the table looking at the menu you should have just said this is too expensive can we keep to mains and a cheap bottle of plonk please. No drama.

Gardeniaofdelights · 10/12/2020 07:21

I think there is fault on both sides here - you offered to buy her lunch and chose the venue, so I think it was unreasonable to then expect her to pay once you realised it wasn’t what you expected. It also sounds like you expressed yourself in a way which was needlessly a bit harsh. But she was unreasonable to order so much without checking with you what your expectations were - that was cheeky on her part.

It sounds like you’re usually really generous, this was just a communications breakdown and some mismanaged expectations. I would just try to be more communicative about what you’re comfortable with in the future.

Boulshired · 10/12/2020 07:21

I have a friend who is generally struggling so I know if I suggest something then I pay. She does not go for coffee, lunch etc as that is not in her budget. I would only be upset if it was her suggestion to go for food or drinks. If I do not want or can’t afford for her we arrange going for a walk or in normal times each other’s homes.

Cherrysoup · 10/12/2020 07:22

She took the piss ordering the aperitif and Prosecco. It’s all very well supporting her but that took the piss. I’d have ordered the cheapest possible items.

KnitsAndGiggles · 10/12/2020 07:25

Entirely your fault - check more carefully in future and have the balls to speak up if you want to go somewhere else. I think I'd stop spending time with you if I was your friend, you're clearly starting to resent her

Plastichearts · 10/12/2020 07:26

You did say it was on you and you did choose the restaurant.

Ellmau · 10/12/2020 07:26

You picked the restaurant and didn't mention wanting her to contribute until after she'd ordered? YWBVU.

What you could have done, having made the initial mistake of booking somewhere more expensive than you had expected, was to TELL HER THAT before ordering, and ask her not to pick the more expensive items/skip alcohol.

CrotchBurn · 10/12/2020 07:26

@Cherrysoup

Well - precisely. Honestly if it were me, even if the other person was completely loaded, I would still only order a main and a glass of wine (and wait for them to suggest a bottle).
@Bluntness100 Yes, all of this could have been avoided had I just been more transparent from the get go. I don't know why I wasnt, probably it felt awkward to me, and so I stifled it, but then when eventually I snapped it came out the harsher for it. I'm going to try and be more upfront from now on.

OP posts:
flaviaritt · 10/12/2020 07:28

Those of you saying the OP is being unreasonable, would you behave like the friend?

If someone invited me to a restaurant for lunch I wouldn’t order a bottle of wine. I’d order two courses. But that isn’t the point. The friend was a bit cheeky but the OP’s behaviour is completely outrageous. “It’s on me... Actually, you’ll have to pay half.” If you can’t afford a three course restaurant meal don’t ask your friend to one and say you’ll pay. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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