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Was this mean of me?

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CrotchBurn · 10/12/2020 06:08

Okay, so I have a friend who is a single mother to two boys. Her job doesn't pay very well at all, and so when we go out, I'll often just pick up the tab, maybe 5 times out of 10. Then maybe 4 times out of 10 we'll go halves, and once every 10 times she'll pick up the tab. I'm fairly comfortable but not loaded. Over the years it has slightly grated on me that she often wont make any move whatsoever to reach for her wallet. She also does stuff like pinch my smokes but in such a nice way I camt say anything. She can also do some stuff that i frankly find weird, such as the time people sent her cheques for her sons communion, she didnt cash them, then two years decided to cash them and called everyone to ask them to write new ones 😂👀👀👀

So anyway, she helped me move house, and we went for lunch that day (I paid). I also bought her a bouquet from a proper florist (not garage flowers) to say thank you.

So a few days later she was in town for something, and I said why dont we go out for a bite to eat once you're done (note the phrasing), it's on me.

She comes around later and in the meantime I had had some fuck up with my flat and was quite frazzled. I quickly got my phone out and googled for something nearby (I didnt know the area yet). I found an italian and thought great, pizza would be just the thing.

We get to the restaurant, step inside and are instantly whisked away to table, all while I'm clocking the place and thinking "oh fuck". This wasnt the mom and pop pizza and pasta joint I had expected at all, it was a proper posh italian restaurants with white tablecloths and osso bucco, convoluted risotto etc.

We sit down and I immediately say to her "fuck, this is much higher end than I expected. I'm massively underdressed" (I was wearing clothes I'd been cleaning the flat in).

The waiter comes over and she proceeds to fucking go wild! She orders an Aperol spritz as an aperitif (okay...) then when he comes back, she proceeds to order a starter and has already aired thoughts on dessert after the main, too. The final straw for me came when the waiter said what would you like to drink with your main?

She orders a bottle of prosecco!!! I'm not even going to get into how wrong it is (IMO) to have prosecco with your food (isnt that a kind of aperitif wine? Anyway, off topic). At this stage I'm quite pissed off, mainly because she wouldnt be ordering any of this if it was her paying. I'm frustrated with the flat, frustrated with me not having checked the restaurant properly beforehand and also frustrated with her.

So I said: "Look this is way higher end than I expected, and it's also way more than I thought you would order, so we're going to have to go halves this time". Because I was angry I said it in quite a cold way.

She looked fucking crushed, so hurt. I felt terrible. At the end of the meal, I just paid for it all. I felt so bad. I felt I had really been mean and ruined the evening. Even though I ended up paying for it anyway, I still feel bad like I didnt have a generous attitude.

So what do you think?
And by the way, for the covid detectives on the early shift: this happened between lockdowns.

OP posts:
wildraisins · 10/12/2020 08:00

It's a tricky one!

I don't think you should have informed her at the END of the meal that she had to go halves. That wasn't quite fair. You should have made it very clear at the start what you were happy to pay for - like "this is a fancier place than I expected, so we'll just get a main and one drink each".

I feel like with her past record you could have seen it coming that she would take advantage.

She doesn't sound like the most thoughtful friend but maybe she thinks you have a lot of money and it's OK for you to treat her. So you need to be a bit firmer in managing her expectations with this I think and setting out clearly what you can do.

Fluffybutter · 10/12/2020 08:01

@stackemhigh

it is weirdly written and you can be as nasty about it as you like but it doesn’t change that.

I think it’s nasty to pick on somebody for the way she writes. Take a look in the mirror before pointing fingers.

Eh? The op was rude to someone who pointed out it was written strangely . I agreed with that poster as she’s written it almost like a story rather than an anecdote. Take a deep breath,love ..
User43210 · 10/12/2020 08:02

I'm in two minds but mostly on the side of your friend @CrotchBurn
You don't mention what you both usually order when you eat out, is it normally three courses and a bottle? Was the bottle to share or for your friend alone? If you do normally have three courses then I don't think she was cheeky in the slightest. If not, then it was a bit cheeky for her to not even check "what are we ordering".

She certainly couldn't guess you were talking about expense when you make reference to your clothing, I eat out at various places and I have friends to eat with who may also cover the bill. If we were to say it was a bit upmarket, in reference to our outfits, it would be just that and have no bearing on the price of food. Especially if they chose the place, I'd assume they knew the costs. Definitely should have said "oh, I didn't realise it was so expensive" and discuss what to eat.

My heart goes out to your friend who ordered with the belief you were paying then spent the whole meal, probably with her stomach in knots, wondering how she's going to afford the food shop for her and DC that week as she was invited to an expensive restaurant and now has to pay half what she wasn't expecting. It's like an unexpected electricity bill and can really cause your stomach to drop if you struggle with money. Yes, she shouldn't have ordered so much knowing you were paying, but I can imagine you sufficiently ruined her lunch by springing that on her.

AwaAnBileYerHeid · 10/12/2020 08:04

She is a CF. Taking the absolute piss. During periods where I've been skint, I would never have expected someone to pick up the tab most of the time. I wouldn't take advantage of someone like that. If someone was kind enough to take me out as a thank you, I'd probably choose one of the cheaper dishes on the menu and a drink along with it, and that's be it. Actually imagine going wild because you know someone else is picking up the tab. Terrible behaviour. You're going to need to level the playing field and start going halves on everything.

Thespidersweb · 10/12/2020 08:05

I don’t think it’s weirdly written. My friend sends emails in this tone. It’s informal and conversational.

OP - yep she is used to taking the piss. My adult dd is very similar. A quick bite will turn in to a three course meal with cocktails.

billybagpuss · 10/12/2020 08:08

You definitely need to be more transparent. Fuck I’m underdressed, doesn’t necessarily translate to fuck this is expensive let’s just order a main and a jug of water.

What to do next depends on how you want your ongoing relationship to be, I’m sure actually your awkwardness already has hopefully alerted her to the fact that she was taking the piss. Next time make a thing of either splitting or going somewhere really cheap.

wildraisins · 10/12/2020 08:08

I don't understand people saying it's weirdly written. I think it's quite nicely written in the present tense, like a narrative/ anecdote.

I also think as long as you can understand what OP is saying that is kind of irrelevant.

flaviaritt · 10/12/2020 08:08

My heart goes out to your friend who ordered with the belief you were paying then spent the whole meal, probably with her stomach in knots, wondering how she's going to afford the food shop for her and DC that week as she was invited to an expensive restaurant and now has to pay half what she wasn't expecting. It's like an unexpected electricity bill and can really cause your stomach to drop if you struggle with money.

This. I would never do this to a friend, even if I thought they were a bit cheeky. Especially one who had just helped me move house. When it’s nearly Christmas and you are struggling for money, every pound counts. She must have been sitting there wondering what to say to admit she couldn’t afford to pay for what she had eaten. Nasty.

Saltn · 10/12/2020 08:10

But equally she shouldn't have been so greedy in the first place. Who gets invited for a 'bite to eat' and then ends up ordering loads of food off the menu of an expensive restaurant?

NataliaOsipova · 10/12/2020 08:10

YANBU to feel she takes advantage of you in general from what you’ve said here....but I’m afraid I think you were unreasonable on this occasion. Because you’d invited her, said you were paying and you picked the restaurant. Resentments that have been simmering for a while often come out like this, though, I think. It’s a shame, because what starts as your being happy to do a nice thing and treat a friend from time to time turns into an obligation.....and then you rightly start to resent it. People get used to something and then somehow feel entitled to it.

liveitwell · 10/12/2020 08:11

I don't think she's a piss taker. I think you both got used to an arrangement that doesn't work for you anymore.

Stop offering to take her out. Have meals indoors, go for a drink. Choose cheap venues and make it clear up front it's halves.

She probably won't mind at all. But currently you're offering her stuff then taking it away or being resentful over it. It's not fair.

Tootsietootie · 10/12/2020 08:12

My DSis is much better off than me and will regularly pay for a meal. However I would never ever go out with her unless I knew I could afford it. I always offer to pay halves and if not expensive will pick up the whole tab. I would NOT order a starter or dessert if she had offered to pay before hand and would completely take her lead with alcohol. Your so called friend is using you.

Porridgeoat · 10/12/2020 08:12

How much would it have cost you to employ someone to move houses.I think take the cost of the meal on your shoulders as a Thankyou. Next time do better research!

Also go halves meal wise from now on to stop underpaying tension

Porridgeoat · 10/12/2020 08:13

You could have changed location on entering the restaurant and realising it was above budget

CrotchBurn · 10/12/2020 08:15

@User43210
Thanks for your considered reply, the stomach in knots thing is something I can imagine, and its what made me feel mean. This wasnt clear in my OP, but when I say I normally pick up the tab I meant for drinks and coffees, we would very rarely go out to eat.

Genuinely dont get the writing thing, i write like i talk, I think it makes it easier to follow what's going on

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Roussette · 10/12/2020 08:16

My heart goes out to your friend who ordered with the belief you were paying then spent the whole meal, probably with her stomach in knots, wondering how she's going to afford the food shop for her and DC that week as she was invited to an expensive restaurant and now has to pay half what she wasn't expecting

Really?

Someone who has the brass neck to order an Aperol Spritzer, a bottle of Prosecco, a starter main and talk about dessert will not be sitting there with their stomach in knots because the person paying says 'Shit, this is expensive'. What a nerve. And she never had to pay anyway, the OP did.

This happens a lot I think. You are kind to someone and slowly they take advantage. I was kind and generous to a friend I knew... nearly always paying for stuff as I had more money etc. Then bit by bit she started taking advantage, expecting it, just assuming and wanting more and more until it got ridiculuous. She didn't start off like this but I started to feel used.

Nymeriastark1 · 10/12/2020 08:17

All the people saying it's the op fault for not checking, and her friend obviously couldn't afford half the bill. The friend didn't have to order a bottle of Prosecco tho did she. If I went out to lunch or dinner with a friend who offered to pay, I wouldn't order bloody spritz drinks and bottles without asking. Actually I wouldn't ask I just wouldn't order them only if they offered is that ok. It's cheeky.

flaviaritt · 10/12/2020 08:18

The friend didn't have to order a bottle of Prosecco tho did she.

No. That doesn’t make it okay to offer to treat someone and then tell them they have to pay.

flaviaritt · 10/12/2020 08:19

This wasnt clear in my OP, but when I say I normally pick up the tab I meant for drinks and coffees, we would very rarely go out to eat.

But this isn’t relevant. You offered to buy her lunch and picked a restaurant. She thought it was a special treat.

Roussette · 10/12/2020 08:20

What I'm trying to say is...

If a friend said let's go to eat and offered to pay, I would mirror what she ordered, if she was paying.
If she ordered a starter and I fancied one, yes I would order.
If she said 'let's have cocktails' that is the only way I would order one!
Etc.

CrotchBurn · 10/12/2020 08:20

@Porridgeoat
Sure but I had already paid for one meal and flowers before this, this was a second meal.

I'm not a tight person, in fact the opposite. I always just buy rounds in groups even if we're only meeting for one drink, I really see money as it comes and it goes, I'm not a penny pincher at all, if I'm down I always figure I'll go back up at some point and vice versa. It was really just the entitlement that bothered me. Actually if she'd just said "oh wow, they do prosecco, I haven't had that in ages - what do you think, is it too expensive though?" my mood would have totally flipped, and I'd have been like "No! Fuck it, get what you want! Let's have dessert too!" Genuinely.

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Schoolchoicesucks · 10/12/2020 08:21

She was a bit U with her ordering, especially as you had told her it was higher end than you were expecting (so she wasn't assuming you were knowingly pushing the boat out to treat her).

However you are being U to still be holding onto this- particularly after she did say she would go halves.
You were also U to tell her mid-meal that she would have to go halves.

You clocked straight away it was a fancy place and had 3 choices - to find somewhere else to eat, to be very clear that it was going to be a main course and soft drink, or to suck it up and pay for a nice meal in appreciation of your friend's help and knowing you could afford it more than she could.

What you actually did was make it akward for her - she may well be resenting you offering to treat her then making her feel guilty about it - and you are resenting her for ordering more than you were willing to pay.

Sure, reset expectations for the future - you don't have to pay for her 5 times out of 10. But don't hold onto this one occasion where you were on balance more U than she was.

TillyTopper · 10/12/2020 08:22

I think she thought the Italian meal was a thank you on top of the flowers. So she was thinking "I am being treated and it's lovely" you were thinking "Crikey this is a mistake and it's too high end".

It's sounds like she is more disorganised with money than you as well. Clearly she won't know your exact financial situation so she won't know how you see things.

If you still want to be friends with her then stop offering to pay and make the position clear up front. "Did you want a coffee together? I'm a bit hard pushed for cash at the moment we can meet at mine or each buy our own" type thing. But she's probably used to you paying and not saying anything so she thinks she's doing no wrong, on the other hand you are starting to resent it.

Nottherealslimshady · 10/12/2020 08:25

You need to stop paying for meals in future. She took the piss, you'd already said it was higher end than you'd intended, anyone would have then worried about the cost. And who has three courses for fucking lunch?! She saw a nice free restaurant and took advantage.

Stop paying, she's a grown woman, it's a bit pathetic to be having her friend pay for her like shes a child. You're not doing her any favours in the long run.

Roussette · 10/12/2020 08:25

Crotch I'm totally with you. I think I'm beyond generous with people but the ordering of a bottle of prosecco and cocktails would have to come from me not someone who I'm saying I'll pay for the meal.

This is exactly what happened to me and I felt my 'friend' was really taking the piss to be honest. I am generous but not when someone really takes advantage

Why didn't she wait to see what you ordered? That's what gets me. Someone without a brass neck would.