UK banning fur and whale meat!! :)

[Friendsoftheearth]

Such brilliant news this morning!

The UK is banning the life export of animals to and from the UK, additionally they are now planning to ban fur ENTIRELY, given how cruel the industry is, I am so delighted!
Whale meat transportation to Japan from Nordic countries will also now be banned.

The phasing out of petrol etc cars is also happening much sooner than planned, so hopefully this will help keep the pollution levels low.

Of all the things to come out of brexit, this is unexpected wonderful surprise for many, and it has really made my day! I hope the gov carry on with changes like this, it is most definitely the right direction for our country.

PS Harrods will need to rethink their winter collection :)

Of all the things to come out of brexit, this is unexpected wonderful surprise for many, and it has really made my day! I hope the gov carry on with changes like this, it is most definitely the right direction for our country

What's the export of whales to Japan from Nordic countries got to do with brexit?

Rabbit and reindeer are fur, widdlin, so in the future we can expect them to be slaughtered for meat and the useful by products just burnt

Carrie is behind this. Who the fuck elected her?

I even like the bloody weather

I knew I'd have to disagree with you about something

SchrodingersImmigrant I have read so many of your posts in the past, and I know for sure that you definitely do not love the UK! You spend a vast amount of time and energy running the UK down at every opportunity. The only difference now is that you do not have the usual contingent of posters slamming the UK for every last thing anymore, hence your despair at the forum. My post is very far from whinging! I am celebrating a truly happy and positive movement, that this country at long last seems to be moving (at snails pace in my view) towards something representing an ethical and decent society that is kind to animals - or at least kinder. I have devoted forty years of my life to just this, and many millions of people in this country want to see a complete ban on hunting, exporting live animals long distance, real animal welfare and all the rest. This IS the future, you speak to anyone under twenty five and this stuff matters now, and it matters if we are to have any kind of future.

raspberry I will ALWAYS choose to save an animal's life over the use of plastic. Avoiding both is best - but using animal fur etc is purely optional for absolutely everyone in today's world.

Not excited about the change to electric cars. My house is not suitable at all, I can't park close enough to hoover my car let alone charge one. I'm also worried about affordability and practical issues - I get 700 miles out of a full tank and can drive wherever I need to go without worrying about range. That's not going to happen in an electric car.

This is how modern environmentalists work. Lecture those who have been living extremely closely in nature for thousands of years on their lack of 'civilisation' whilst bringing in badly thought out kneejerk ideas to save us all. Have a look what happens to societies and species when they start wasting use by products of nature. Those primitive people of course could know nothing about the environment. Why do you need a fireplace in your house Friend?

This IS the future, you speak to anyone under twenty five and this stuff matters now, and it matters if we are to have any kind of future.

And most of us over 25 can remember the last time this mattered so much that there would be imminent change that wasn't forthcoming

@Friendsoftheearth
Plastic fibers from outdoor clothing has been found on the worlds highest mountain tops and in the worlds deepest oceans.
so faux fur is hardly zero cost... if an animal is slaughtered for its meat, its stupid to just burn the by products or do you not have leather shoes etc?
I would prefer to see the banning of medical research on animals tbh.

Live animal exports for fattening/slaughter affect just a few 1000 animals (out the millions transported in this country for slaughter here) the export/import of animals for breeding and re stocking will continue as normal, assuming no deal tariffs doesn't kill off the trade completely?
Its also just a consultation....opposed by the NFU... it may not even happen.
Post brexit we will be importing meat from countries that use hormones and have to post wash meat due to v poor animal welfare std's.

Banning of petrol/diesel cars was announced whilst still in EU, nothing to do with brexit, we ve just reduced it further but it will be another target that will be quietly dropped before 2030, the Hydrogen fuel cell is the future, not heavy electric only cars.

The whales are dead, how the meat is transported is irrelevant, far better for the UK to try and stop their slaughter in the first place, the trade deal we just signed with Japan made zero mention, because we needed the FTA first and foremost.

Nice try at painting a pro brexit picture.

It's to distract from this

www.itv.com/news/2020-12-06/the-12-reasonable-worst-case-outcomes-if-brexit-talks-collapse

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So the UK could up to now only operate under EU law and regulations, EU law allows long distance transportation of live animals (many thousands of miles) in horrific conditions, it has long been condemned by the UK and other countries interested in animal welfare. However the EU have never budged on it. As soon as we leave we can put an end to these practices immediately.

In terms of whale meat, again it is an EU loop hole that allows it to be transported through ports, so basically there was nothing the UK could do about it. So that is why all of these things are connected to the UK leaving the EU and brexit. We are not bound by EU regulation anymore.

It is rather depressing that the EU have not done anything about this tbh.

Whales are different to cod because they are in some cases a protected species and due to their low numbers, it is irresponsible to kill them in huge numbers. The Japanese agreed to stop whaling, but have since resumed :(

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brussels-loophole-lets-whale-meat-through-uk-ports-j0wszwdt2ts

I would prefer to see the banning of medical research on animals tbh.

That was the issue 30 years ago I was referring to in my previous post.

Massive protests in the 90s against animal vivisection and live exports and it was THE ISSUE OF THE DECADE. then fashion moved on and here we are 30 years later and animal testing continues and live animal exports might be banned soon (because they probably worked out a more cost effective way of moving them dead)

Friendsoftheearth, I was not aware that one had to be in favour of the current government to love the UK. Some people might say it's precisely because they do love the UK that they are critical of the current government. If you love someone, you're not going to be keen on anyone who seems set to do that person harm, are you?

This is the government that has torn up the whole idea of planning restrictions in the green belt, the government that is pushing through the HS2- uprooting ancient woodland and causing untold damage to wildlife, the government that is turning Kent into a lorry park, and who will soon be in a position where they have to import meat raised with appalling standards of welfare.

And you still haven't explained what is wrong with using the by-products from reindeer. Are you absolutely sure the production of the times products do not result in any harm to the environment and consequently to animals?

jas The whales were not dead before they were killed ffs

I don't agree with fur farming but I think we need to be extremely careful about promoting plastic alternatives over the natural byproducts of other industries.

I personally believe that it is far more ethical to use every bit of an animal killed (and rabbits etc will continue to be killed as pest control even if the whole world goes vegan).

Live exports from the UK were already absolutely tiny. Live exports for breeding, showing and racing will still be allowed which probably accounted for most of it anyway.

No idea what the Whale meat thing is about, that is pretty much the status quo already.

I'm dubious that the technology will be available in such a short space of time to provide me with an electric 4x4 vehicle that's capable of pulling a full cattle trailer up an icy ungritted hill.

But some excellent PR from the Tories.

@Friendsoftheearth Just a tip, OP. If you're going to write a post about something like this, people will take you more seriously if you post a link to a credible news article in your OP. I've googled and still can't find any confirmation. There's a few articles from September saying the government are considering it, or that it's looking likely. That is absolutely not the same thing as confirming it's going to happen. So please post some proof or evidence here of your news, as I still can't find anything.

And yes, I have often wondered if fur did get banned, what would happen to all the second hand ones? I've seen them being sold in charity shops and vintage shops, so what would happen then?

Thanks for your concern friends, perhaps you've been doing it for ten years like me? Faux reindeer fur is shit and sells for a fraction of the price. This is closing a market of 70 million people to the sami. These reindeer have a bloody brilliant life then die at the right time with a quick knife in the spine and an instant blackout. Idiotic to ban that stuff. You want to go lecture the sami on morality? Couldnt give a fuck about those who sell things like mink/beaver, that really is evil

Like I said, bit racist (of OP)

@Friendsoftheearth

jas The whales were not dead before they were killed ffs

Did you read what i wrote?

the emphasis needs to be put on japan/norway etc to stop killing them in the first place.... they are not passing through uk port alive are they ?FFS

cory I am not sure what your argument is. I don't support HS2 nor building on green belt. Why would I? The latest developments however are very encouraging. I am not so worried about the lorry parks, as this will be very short term, if they happen at all.

I am beginning to see an outline of positive outcomes that were not obvious before. These decisions to support animal welfare may not matter to you, but they matter to a great number of people. I don't support the use of any part of animals, reindeers included.

This is pathetic posturing.

New partial ban from part of the UK, saving around 6,000 animals a year from being exported alive. Who, by the way, will just now be exported dead. I'm sure they are delighted with the change.
But the 10's of MILLIONS of chickens that the UK exports every year...thats a market that the government would like to expand.

Yeah, so proud. Not.

jas Good luck with that! Japan have come under huge pressure to stop whaling to no avail for DECADES. If you feel you can convince them, go for it!

Boycott Japanese goods and let your feelings be known on SM. Join protests, and I am sure you can inject even more energy into the campaign and they would be grateful for your help.

www.greenpeace.org/international/story/18358/10-reasons-to-not-kill-whales/

Friends The UK could have amended the open ports duty law at any time whilst in the EU, therefore preventing the passage of whale meat but all they'd then do is use european ports.

Whats ironic is that once transition ends, we could go hunting whales! as the EU ban on any sort of whaling would no longer apply.

tea That is not accurate actually.

The good news is that the policy now includes internal transportation within the UK as well, so animals will not be able to be transported for long periods of time here either, despite our country being small compared to the rest of the continent. This means that more local food will be consumed within a certain distance. Better food miles, health benefits and sustaining local farming.

It is far better for the animal to be transported dead than alive, due to the stressful and terrifying conditions they are transported in across the thousands of miles and many days. It is a terrible shame they have to be killed at all, I agree.

Norway kills whales.

And no, that is not true the UK are bound by EU regulations.

There is no way on earth the UK will start its own whaling industry, seriously you are being silly now.