To think overtly sexy dressing looks very old fashioned?

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E.g Claudia's style looks far more modern than Tess'. I love the way young women will wear flats or even trainers and be comfortable rather than dressing for men.

I find it scary how judged women are, even now. It's OK to discuss fashion and trends, but the moment you start judging the women under it, she's too old, she doesn't know her own mind, she is doing it for someone else, too fat, too short, then you are doing exactly what society and the patriarchy has taught you to do. Judge women. Tear them down. You are part of the problem and not as forward thinking as you believe yourselves to be, even if you think this why while wearing flat shoes.

Oh I never presume any female is dressing for the male gaze. I just think some looks are a bit dated.

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Oh I never presume any female is dressing for the male gaze. I just think some looks are a bit dated.

Completely agree. My opinion on a particular look is based purely on whether or not I like it. It’s nothing to do with the woman wearing it and it never occurs to me to question her motivation.

Some of the assumptions people make about other women are horrendous-and insulting.

I agree with PP who said they can't wait to get the fancy frocks and Jimmy Choos out again, cos personally I'm very bored with casual clothing. My office doesn't have many women but the range of styles is lovely - our dress code is pretty chilled- so you will see everything from cozy sweaters, jeans and flats to floral dress to full on power dressing. Often on the same woman over the course of a week! I enjoy clothes, make up, hair - and I'm definitely not dressing for the male gaze.

I also run a separate business and the team are almost all teens/twenties and I can promise you the overtly sexy look is definite worn - not at work as it wouldn't suit the environmental but on nights out it's skimpy tight clothes and mega heels on pretty much everyone. And it's an almost all female workplace so I don't think it's about men.

okay pinnacle of fashion is bit of an exaggeration, but you get the gist... I hope! pencil skirt has never really gone out of fashion and it never will. I believe it holds the same wardrobe-must-have status as brogues or big scarfs, just so handy and classy for every season.

good old saying "fashion repeats itself", pencil skirt is absolutely back in. the latest crop top trend means the 'standard' trousers and skirts all have crept up along the waist. if they are slightly fitted then you have got a pencil skirt!
I absolutely love the long pencil skirt paired with crop top jumper with biker boots. so badass and feminine and so much more comfortable than jeans. Change to a pair of black heels suddenly you have smart casual.

@iswhois lool, expensive makeup is so wasted on men!

expensive makeup is so wasted on men!

Most of them don’t wear it, to be fair.

Live and let live as long as the wearer feels good/sexy it's all the matters.
My 21y.o niece wears pencil skirts she is stunning in them.

I think pencil skirts are pretty much a work staple for certain environments but I don't really see them much outside of that environment. If you like them though there's nothing wrong with that.

Pencil skirts were the catwalks in the spring, so they haven't gone far.

Most of them don’t wear it, to be fair.

True dat!

It's not really a generational thing. I wore trainers to go clubbing in the 80's and 90's. It's just a personal style thing I think. None of the older women I know dress up or wear heels but they never did, it's just not them. Personally I've always been all about the comfort, no way could I have danced till 5am in heels!

Pencil skirts were the catwalks in the spring, so they haven't gone far.

So were bermuda shoes.

I have noticed on MN in general that terms such 'dated' or 'old-fashioned' tend to be used to describe things that posters personally disapprove of, from mini skirts to marriage.

shorts!

I love a pencil skirt - such a versatile piece of clothing.

@MsSquiz I'm exactly the same, I don't think I've ever been on a night out and worn flats. Up until about 5 years ago I don't think I ever ever owned any.
I lived in heels from about the age of 14/15.
I very rarely go out now but when I do I still see many women in heels.

Why does anyone care what anyone else wears?

Or we could just let women wear what they like, look however they like, inject themselves with fillers if that's what they want to do without judging every decision they make.

@purpleboy if spent most of lockdown barefoot, so trying to wear my heels in again! I've never felt like Bambi on ice until now!

the funny thing is my female friends often wear flats or trainers in the same nights out and it's just their style.
Other than saying love your shoes/dress/eyeliner, it's never mentioned. It's just whatever each person is comfortable in.

I find it quite demeaning when a woman states that because another woman is dressed "sexily" (in her opinion) it must be for male attention!

I do try to dress up because it helps me feel confident and happy. I can do dress down but prefer dressed up.

I also don't own a single pair of trousers and I put heels on quite often because I like them. Don't care if it's dated. I like how I dress. I would rather wear what looks good on me, wear it well and look good because I feel confident. Don't care about anyone else. IME people generally respond to your confidence and presence and whether you look put together, as long as you don't look totally out of time. Being styled is the key.

I’m going to go there... it’s social class. Particularly the Kardashian, love island and designer brands look. It’s lower middle and working class. I don’t think it’s heels and a pencil skirts on their own, they can look very professional, it is the over the top Kardashian look that’s dated.

Bejeeeewzus, sisterhood really is such a bloody con, isn't it? Live and let live and stop sniping about the choices other women make.
Dress the way you want and if you are very lucky and have developed a sense of personal style, then kudos to you.
Following fast fashion with dogged fervor and moaning about the ones who don't is wrong on so many levels.
Wear trainers or Ferragamo courts, whatever suits you and makes you feel good and stick the 'old-fashioned vs 'modern' labels up your arse.
Arrghhhh....

It’s not sniping.

Clothing is anthropology, and what people are doing is decoding and coming up with mainly the correct result. Clothing is totally about social class and always has been. Absolutelt.

Every single thing that people wear gives a message. I could give so so many examples. It is NOT about being bitchy or nasty. It is a reflection of socioeconomic conditions and social class.

But judgey twats who can't mind their own business thankfully inhabit all 'classes'...!

Well they could be perceived as being judgeynor they may be decoding correctly. I would need an example.