Vaccine fairness

[MozzchopsThirty]

AIBU to think we should be vaccinating all those of working age, BAME communities, younger vulnerable and healthcare workers first? Not in order of age

Clinical need.

@dreamingofsun

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So depressing to read this.

@dreamingofsun

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Nasty attitude.

& incorrect, but don't let facts get in your way.

Luckily mnhq agreed.

think people with certain health issues should be prioritised over old people in care homes who frankly cant have long to live anyway

Dear God, do people seriously think like this? This thread’s making my blood run cold.

The ugliness posted today has been grim.

Not sure why on a day of good news it has been so bad.

Its a shame they cant find a way of prioritising the older people in multi-generational homes rather than care homes. care homes can be isolated (i know this isnt great)

'Not great' is a bit of a fucking understatement, isn't it?

@IwishIwasyoda

I think the list is too simplistic and age is a very crude measure of need. No problem at all with NHS staff and care home residents going first but think that the clinically vulnerable in other categories should be prioritised sooner. It is also crazy that my MIL age 81 will get a vaccine before my Dad (age 78) who is much more vulnerable with asthma and diabetes.

Yes, the list is simplistic, but your comment shows ignorance about the work that has gone into it.

Try reading the document I linked to earlier, at the very least.

Ok so i will go to work tonight and tell my residents they are not worthy of the vaccination first.

@Sirzy

Whatever order the pick then people will complain.

I think getting care homes and NHS staff vaccinated is rightly a key priority as it allows for things to get back to normal for them a bit more.

Personally I would like to see unpaid carers up there in the priority list but it doesn’t look like that will happen

Not sure if someone else has mentioned this by now, but unpaid carers are on the list for the first wave in Scotland, so hopefully the other nations will follow.

I’m guessing none of the people with such vile opinions have older relatives who they actually care about....

People in care homes are the most vulnerable and very important and they need protection along with their carers and NHS staff.

The measure of a society is how it looks after it's elderly, vulnerable and disabled individuals.

Obviously we want all vulnerable people vaccinated but I feel more for a young mum recovering from cancer than an 80 year old who has lived their life.

Its a shame they cant find a way of prioritising the older people in multi-generational homes rather than care homes. care homes can be isolated (i know this isnt great)

Not really. Some of the care staff have children in schools. It’s no different from a multi-generation household; it’s just on a much bigger scale! Where my daughter lives, there are 130 residents and 900 staff. Believe you me, there is nowhere on site for that many people to live!

I would be happy to pay for mine if it could go to helping poorer countries be vaccinated.

Brilliant idea. Hopefully UNICEF will start doing it. They already do for other vaccines. So if you or anyone else wants to make a difference you can donate vaccines to poorer countries on their website here:

market.unicef.org.uk/inspired-gifts/life-saving-vaccines/

And do you feel more for a young random stranger than for your own parent? After all, they’ve lived their life haven’t they?

These people who posters on here are merrily writing off aren’t actually real in their heads. They’re just hypothetical people, make those kinds of statements about your own parents/grandparents and see how easily the hatred and the bile comes.

Oh and, way to get yourself cut out of the will, then you can start an AIBU thread wining about inheritance.

Don't forget the goal is to stop the NHS from being overwhelmed. If older people are all vaccinated, they'll hopefully stay out of hospitals leaving more beds for the rest of us if we do get it in the meantime.

Anyone who fought in ww2 would be in their late 90s now, most likely over 100.

Anyone who was alive at the time 'fought' in WW2. That's anyone 80 or over. Children were separated from their families, had their education disrupted, experienced rationing, risked being killed in air raids, may have lost their homes or family members. And were vulnerable to diseases which no-one gets today because there are vaccines available.

@Buddytheelf85

I mostly agree with it but I do think working age ECV should be higher up the list where they can’t easily work from home e.g teachers.

Just out of interest, what is happening with ECV keyworkers such as teachers and healthcare workers? Are they being allowed to WFH?

(Not being snarky btw, genuine question because I don’t know.)

@Buddytheelf85

It's all in the. JVIC document

HERE

Don't forget the goal is to stop the NHS from being overwhelmed. If older people are all vaccinated, they'll hopefully stay out of hospitals leaving more beds for the rest of us if we do get it in the meantime. ah but according to a poster upthread those older people should be refusing treatment on the basis that they’ve lived their lives and the younger are more deserving....

AIBU to think we should be vaccinating all those of working age, BAME communities, younger vulnerable and healthcare workers first? Not in order of age

You clearly haven't grasped the rationale underpinning why we've been in lockdown for most of this year.

@AlternativePerspective

And do you feel more for a young random stranger than for your own parent? After all, they’ve lived their life haven’t they?

These people who posters on here are merrily writing off aren’t actually real in their heads. They’re just hypothetical people, make those kinds of statements about your own parents/grandparents and see how easily the hatred and the bile comes.

Oh and, way to get yourself cut out of the will, then you can start an AIBU thread wining about inheritance.

Yes, yes I do apply that to my own family. It would be sad to lose an older family member a year or two earlier than their natural end but much sadder for a younger family member to miss out on half their life and their children be orphaned.

YABU OP, to start such a goady thread. YABVVVU if you also think that way. The vaccine roll out will be a huge logistical undertaking and the order of priority has been carefully chosen to prevent as many deaths as possible. I'm sure that most reasonable people understand why they may have to wait a few weeks or months for their vaccination. A few more months of wearing masks and SD for an able bodied healthy young adult is tolerable. A few more months of social isolation for an elderly frail person who may only have a year or two left could be intolerable. We need to be patient.

@SnowmanDrinkingSnowballs

Obviously we want all vulnerable people vaccinated but I feel more for a young mum recovering from cancer than an 80 year old who has lived their life.

But it's not about comparing 1:1.

You need to look at the bigger picture. A carehome case impacts a LOT more people (other residents, all the staff, all the visitors etc etc).

It's also about the number of hospital bed. Honestly, read the JVIC document to better understand the prioritisation. They don't make these decisions lightly!

HERE

Witches excellent document.

It is estimated that taken together, these groups represent around 99% of preventable mortality from COVID-19.
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