Vaccine fairness

[MozzchopsThirty]

AIBU to think we should be vaccinating all those of working age, BAME communities, younger vulnerable and healthcare workers first? Not in order of age

But not everyone has an equal risk of being very poorly from it OP, yes you could vaccinate swathes of younger, healthier people because of their jobs, but surely that's not the best way? NHS are being offered it to help protect patients and at a guess try and lower the number of personnel off isolating etc.

AIBU to think we should be vaccinating all those of working age, BAME communities, younger vulnerable and healthcare workers first? Not in order of age

so you want pretty much everyone to get it first?

Maths not your strong suit, is it?

YABU.

'You can all virtue signal as much as you like, but food producers, farmers, delivery drivers, police, teachers are keeping the country running, keeping us fed, giving the children an education and keeping us safe. Mildred and Bert age 92 in bluebells home are not'

What a patronising way to talk about older people.

Op. Many people in their 80s are fitter than people in their 50s, many have full active lives.

So as a pp said let's go on clinical need and not your 'are you worth it' judgements.

So you essentially want everyone else to get it before the elderly? So the most likely to die should get it last?

Well you can relax because care homes aren't getting it first - because they can't keep the Pfizer vaccine cold enough. So NHS first.
And this for assuming that all care home residents are 92.

AIBU to think we should be vaccinating all those of working age, BAME communities, younger vulnerable and healthcare workers first? Not in order of age

So you want all adults age 18-66, all BAME people 18-100+ and all healthcare workers to be first...

So what you’re really saying is you want the first phase to essentially be a free for all, then non-BAME people who are over 67 at the back of the queue

It should be based on clinical need- absolutely. The older are much more likely to die so should have it first. I do hope those who are extremely vulnerable but are young are vaccinated quickly (if they want it) though as they are more at risk than those in their 50s and 60s. What I do worry about is if this ‘vaccine passport’ comes in before we have rolled this vaccine out as an option to those in every age group. At the moment it is just a musing but if it did come in before fully rolled out, it would end up excluding the young from activities through no fault of their own. I know at the moment it isn’t available privately and won’t be for some time but it will eventually and could cause a divide between those who can afford to pay versus those who can’t.

FYI, my friend who is a care home resident is 33, not all care home residents are elderly, not all are infirm, some like my friend work.

Tg the people on the JCVI have the expertise they do. Otherwise people thinking as op could.

To be fair the OP would save the NHS a shedload of money going forward.

The cheapest hospital to run would kill everyone on admission.

We're all going to die anyway op,even you.

You would change your tune if you got ill.

Can't win. One minute it's "it's just the old dying", next minute it's "why are the old getting the vaccine first, it's so unfair."

Nope, it should be in order of clinical need. The elderly are way more vulnerable than a healthy 20 odd year old who will probably just have mild cold symptoms if anything at all. It’s just common sense really.

You’re missing the point. We are all isolating because if too many Mildred and Bobs get it, hospitals and ICUs will be inundated and then the hardworking age people you talk about won’t be able to get routine treatments, won’t get treatment if in a car crash etc. Vaccinating the most at risk helps all of us, hospital capacity wise.

What a ridiculous suggestion. I'm of working age but otherwise completely low risk and absolutely expect to be at the bottom of the list for the vaccine. I'd much sooner see my lovely 80 year old neighbours protected first.

Yes I know what you mean OP

I want everyone who needs the vaccine to have it but if, say, a 30 year old person and a 90 year old person were at a similar level of vulnerability then I cannot help but think the 30 year old should be first in line but I really just think it's so awful we are in this position at all

I’m CEV. As is my 5 yr old

A human life. Is a human life. Regardless of age. Very and Mildred might have fought in the war and saved 1000000’s of children. They might have stormed Normandy beach. However they might of owned the local fish and chip shop

I don’t care. They are human.

If they cock up the order of vaccination the capacity could go very easily. We don't want people dying of appendicitis because someone doesn't like old people OP

So all the possibly healthy should be first?

I'll give mine up so a doctor nurse carer can have it or give it to a vulnerabe person so they get to spend a few more years with the loved ones.

HappyHeart i hope you and your little one will stay safe. It's very hard to read this sort of thing. Bordering on eugenics.

What's your favourite book OP? Something about camping

So 'protect the vulnerable' = shut them out of the way, and put the most vulnerable (CEV age 16+ and the elderly) lower in the queue than healthy people?

That it's OK to cut off those in care homes from human interaction?

That frontline NHS staff should not be protected, making hospitals safe to function?

Count me out of a society that thinks like that. I think clinical need (risk of death/serious illness) is both the best and the only way to prioritise.

@Sirzy

Whatever order the pick then people will complain.

I think getting care homes and NHS staff vaccinated is rightly a key priority as it allows for things to get back to normal for them a bit more.

Personally I would like to see unpaid carers up there in the priority list but it doesn’t look like that will happen

Unpaid carers and those receiving carers allowance are priority six with the CV. No idea how they identify these people though.

I perhaps misunderstood the OP

Younger vulnerable being vaccinated first, I get your point, not just everyone of working age if not even understood to be vulnerable to covid

@FudgeSundae

You’re missing the point. We are all isolating because if too many Mildred and Bobs get it, hospitals and ICUs will be inundated and then the hardworking age people you talk about won’t be able to get routine treatments, won’t get treatment if in a car crash etc. Vaccinating the most at risk helps all of us, hospital capacity wise.

This.

OP, aside from your appalling lack of compassion, you have failed to take into account the effect that Bob and Mildred getting ill will have on the ability of hard-working-Harry (or whoever you want vaccinated first) to get treatment when he crashes his car and needs emergency surgery.

For the avoidance of doubt, I am relatively vulnerable to COVID, but under 50, so I won't be getting the vaccine any time soon. I am GLAD that Bob and Mildred will get it before me as they need it more.